Cadillac ELR (Converj)

[Gear]

10,000 plus miles on my ELR and could not enjoy it more. Very, very few issues with the car since new and all were cosmetic. Car will run quick (as most EV's do) and surprises most folks that are initially left 4-6 car lengths behind at a light. If an S wants to drag race from a light it is obvious that it will be quicker to the next light, however, if there are no more lights and the road continues to wander you will definitely pass them when they run out of juice and have to park for a coffee, donut, dog walk, bathroom break, selfie-shot and recharge....and the ELR continues to add car lengths to the race via gasoline.

Best of both worlds.

Unless you prefer free roadtrips and paying for cheaper electricity at home for all your commuting instead of more expensive gasoline at a gas station, however infrequently used. I'd be willing to bet you spend more time watching gas go into your tank than I spend watching electricity go into my battery since I can easily just go and do something else (or be at home sleeping in my bed), plus you're paying for the priviledge to do so. I'm glad you're happy with your choice, but I think I made the right choice for me.

 

[magneto]

Unless you prefer free roadtrips and paying for cheaper electricity at home for all your commuting instead of more expensive gasoline at a gas station, however infrequently used. I'd be willing to bet you spend more time watching gas go into your tank than I spend watching electricity go into my battery since I can easily just go and do something else (or be at home sleeping in my bed), plus you're paying for the priviledge to do so. I'm glad you're happy with your choice, but I think I made the right choice for me.

Stay out of the casino's for a bit...your betting expertise is way off. I have a daily commute during the week of about 40 miles round trip. I last bought gas for the ELR 6 weeks ago....topping off the tank in less than two minutes and at a cost of less than $20. Barely had time to get a twinkie. Lifetime gas mileage sits right at 89mpg on mine. I charge up at night on a 240v (just like you) and even went so far as to install a 240v at the office just in case my daily travel is extended. I don't find myself calculating my out of town trips nor do I need to plan them around superchargers. When I do leave the confines of my home20 I drive 300 miles on gas...pull into Bucee's and fill up for about $30 and then I drive another 300 miles. My stop at Bucee's consists of pulling up to the pump, installing said pump nozzle, walk in and buy some jelly beans, walk back out, uninstall nozzle and drive away clean, sugared up and all in about 10 minutes.

The ELR certainly will not do 0-60 in 3 seconds. What it will do is pass up every Model S as they pull into the supercharger and continue its trip for another 300 miles while the S is getting juiced and set for its trip to the next supercharger. The S is a fine car and one worthy of all the praise that it gets...it is not easy being a pioneer in the automotive industry...and I look forward to each and every advance that EM comes up with for the brand, however, a BEV is not THE answer right now for the industry but it sure does help push us towards a more consistent care for the planet. You made a fine choice for yourself and it sure looks like it is working. I appreciate your attitude as I have run into an awful lot of Tesla owners whose pride in their purchase extends into subjective rudeness.

 

[Blastphemy]

I appreciate your attitude as I have run into an awful lot of Tesla owners whose pride in their purchase extends into subjective rudeness.

You should have been at the Hawthorne event last week where the P85D was revealed. I've never been surrounded by so many rude, self-important, egotistical, entitled people in my life. The vibe was just awful. I hang out with a pretty wealthy crowd for the most part, and even though I'm frequently at large parties with attorneys, doctors, politicians, bankers, fund managers, etc., I've never gotten such a negative group impression as I did at that Tesla reveal party.

For sure it's just a generalization - there were probably some lovely people there as well. But just watching all these Model S owners refusing to let other Model S owners merge into the long line of cars waiting to enter the event was just amazing to watch. I probably saw 10-15 near accidents as the **** in the P85+ would quickly fill the gap in front of him so the guy in the lowly P85 trying to merge couldn't get in. Not a lot of love for your fellow man going on at that event, and it sent a rather disappointing message.

You might have thought there would have been a giant crowd of BEV enthusiasts all celebrating advancements in electric cars that will not only improve the driving experience but will also help "save the planet" from Big Oil. But this was just a bunch of egos thrown together in one space, many of them clearly considering everyone around them an annoyance. I got a kick out of the 56-year-old self-made millionaires being shoved aside by 27-year-old trust fund babies on their way to the front of the stage, only to encounter even bigger ******** who'd refuse to move lest anyone block even a fraction of their view.

But that having been said, I still bought an ELR after that awful "Poolside" ad was released by Cadillac, so I suspect there are a lot of people who see me in that car and think I'm as big an a$$hole as the character Neal McDonough played in that spot! And I'm still getting my Model X next year!

 

[dsm363]

10,000 plus miles on my ELR and could not enjoy it more. Very, very few issues with the car since new and all were cosmetic. Car will run quick (as most EV's do) and surprises most folks that are initially left 4-6 car lengths behind at a light. If an S wants to drag race from a light it is obvious that it will be quicker to the next light, however, if there are no more lights and the road continues to wander you will definitely pass them when they run out of juice and have to park for a coffee, donut, dog walk, bathroom break, selfie-shot and recharge....and the ELR continues to add car lengths to the race via gasoline.

Best of both worlds.

Are you talking about driving at 135mph nonstop for 50+ miles? Guess you win that one. Congrats. I'm sure that is a common situation in the U.S. Does your racing situation apply to the new D version as well?

 

[dsm363]

Stay out of the casino's for a bit...your betting expertise is way off. I have a daily commute during the week of about 40 miles round trip. I last bought gas for the ELR 6 weeks ago....topping off the tank in less than two minutes and at a cost of less than $20. Barely had time to get a twinkie. Lifetime gas mileage sits right at 89mpg on mine. I charge up at night on a 240v (just like you) and even went so far as to install a 240v at the office just in case my daily travel is extended. I don't find myself calculating my out of town trips nor do I need to plan them around superchargers. When I do leave the confines of my home20 I drive 300 miles on gas...pull into Bucee's and fill up for about $30 and then I drive another 300 miles. My stop at Bucee's consists of pulling up to the pump, installing said pump nozzle, walk in and buy some jelly beans, walk back out, uninstall nozzle and drive away clean, sugared up and all in about 10 minutes.

The ELR certainly will not do 0-60 in 3 seconds. What it will do is pass up every Model S as they pull into the supercharger and continue its trip for another 300 miles while the S is getting juiced and set for its trip to the next supercharger. The S is a fine car and one worthy of all the praise that it gets...it is not easy being a pioneer in the automotive industry...and I look forward to each and every advance that EM comes up with for the brand, however, a BEV is not THE answer right now for the industry but it sure does help push us towards a more consistent care for the planet. You made a fine choice for yourself and it sure looks like it is working. I appreciate your attitude as I have run into an awful lot of Tesla owners whose pride in their purchase extends into subjective rudeness.

So you come here to brag about the drag racing capabilities of the ELR? Really? There is a reason why no one is buying the ELR for the price GM wanted. A BEV isn't right for everyone but neither is the ELR. That's obvious with its sales. I would consider what you are doing rude.

Every argument you have applies to any ICE. We get it. It is far easier and quicker to refuel an ICE with 150,000+ gas stations. The ELR and other PHEVs are good stepping stones to BEVs but let's not use the ELR as some example of superior performance when racing a Model S on public roads for 50+ miles at full speed. Hardly more likely than short bursts at a stoplight.

 

[dsm363]

You should have been at the Hawthorne event last week where the P85D was revealed. I've never been surrounded by so many rude, self-important, egotistical, entitled people in my life. The vibe was just awful. I hang out with a pretty wealthy crowd for the most part, and even though I'm frequently at large parties with attorneys, doctors, politicians, bankers, fund managers, etc., I've never gotten such a negative group impression as I did at that Tesla reveal party.

For sure it's just a generalization - there were probably some lovely people there as well. But just watching all these Model S owners refusing to let other Model S owners merge into the long line of cars waiting to enter the event was just amazing to watch. I probably saw 10-15 near accidents as the **** in the P85+ would quickly fill the gap in front of him so the guy in the lowly P85 trying to merge couldn't get in. Not a lot of love for your fellow man going on at that event, and it sent a rather disappointing message.

You might have thought there would have been a giant crowd of BEV enthusiasts all celebrating advancements in electric cars that will not only improve the driving experience but will also help "save the planet" from Big Oil. But this was just a bunch of egos thrown together in one space, many of them clearly considering everyone around them an annoyance. I got a kick out of the 56-year-old self-made millionaires being shoved aside by 27-year-old trust fund babies on their way to the front of the stage, only to encounter even bigger ******** who'd refuse to move lest anyone block even a fraction of their view.

But that having been said, I still bought an ELR after that awful "Poolside" ad was released by Cadillac, so I suspect there are a lot of people who see me in that car and think I'm as big an a$$hole as the character Neal McDonough played in that spot! And I'm still getting my Model X next year!

Based on some PHEV owners who have come here to lecture us on how superior their purchase was over an EV I could make a generalization too but that would be absurd. All your observations prove is that Tesla has entered the mainstream and rude and inconsiderate people drive all makes and models of cars. We are no longer in the early adopter phase where everyone basically looked out for each other.

 

[magneto]

Are you talking about driving at 135mph nonstop for 50+ miles? Guess you win that one. Congrats. I'm sure that is a common situation in the U.S. Does your racing situation apply to the new D version as well?

Rerun your math and reread my post(s). When the S stops to re-juice it will never be able to make up the distance that happens when the ELR runs out of juice and switches to gas. I did not "come here" to do anything other than bring some alternative thinking to the site within the correct forum. Your subjective rudeness is showing and worse yet the very things you complain about are the ones you are committing in your statements.

Blast: You are correct. I am much like you and understand that there are all types of ego's that drive the ELR and the Model S....it is just that most of the ones I have met have a "lemmings" sort of thought process when it comes to EM and his business model. The Model S is great for what it does but unlike most of the propaganda...the Tesla has a lot of compromises involved in its design and build. Congrats on your Model X. I really think that it is going to be a great car with outstanding sales numbers.

 

[dsm363]

Rerun your math and reread my post(s). When the S stops to re-juice it will never be able to make up the distance that happens when the ELR runs out of juice and switches to gas. I did not "come here" to do anything other than bring some alternative thinking to the site within the correct forum. Your subjective rudeness is showing and worse yet the very things you complain about are the ones you are committing in your statements.

You said the Model S would win at every stoplight but in a Cannonball style race the ELR could gas up quicker. You are right but that's not a typical use of either car. What I said was hardly rude. The public has spoken and the ELR simply isn't selling. It may be the vastly superior car but people don't seem to see that, not at $75,000.

 

[Blastphemy]

Hey - guess what graphic was removed from the Cadillac website recently? You guessed it:

Looks like it's yet another promise broken by GM/Cadillac.

I suspected this verbiage would eventually be taken off the Cadillac website because after speaking to various people in Cadillac's ranks, no one seemed interested in fixing C.U.E. bugs, adding 2015 features to 2014 models, or even attempting to resolve poor interface issues. So if you're considering an ELR, just be aware that if you have any concerns with the C.U.E. system, they're not going to be fixed, so let that information guide you appropriately.

This is for sure the last GM car I guy. While I loved my 2012 Volt, I'd never go back after owning a luxurious ELR. But since I'm never buying another Cadillac, it looks like Tesla will be my next couple of purchases. They update their software on a regular basis, adding features not previously advertised, improving the interface, speeding up the responsiveness, and correcting errors. (And you don't even need to bring in the car to a service center for that!)

I can get a base Model S 85D with AutoPilot for the fully-loaded price of a 2014 ELR (although it's been selling for as much as $25k off, recently, due to poor sales). Something tells me I'll be turning in my ELR early... !

 

[magneto]

...I can get a base Model S 85D with AutoPilot for the fully-loaded price of a 2014 ELR (although it's been selling for as much as $25k off, recently, due to poor sales). Something tells me I'll be turning in my ELR early... !

Blast...you may be marching with the lemmings soon but rest assured that you will still be my favorite one! I am missing your numbers since buying the base 85D looks like it is sitting at $85K without many of the add-ons but I know how much you really want a faster 0-60 car and the S will surely fit that bill (I have a 458 that takes care of my need). Good luck with the new S and, if you "review" it like you have the ELR, the other Tesla owners are in for a treat!

 

[MartinAustin]

So, they're skipping a year to allow the 2014 model year cars to be sold off... before introducing any 2016 model year cars onto dealer lots.

This will also allow them to conveniently withdraw the ELR from the market altogether, around the time they're supposed to introduce it, and there won't be any cars on lots that will end up with horrible discounting.

This ties into the removal of the pledge to update CUE.

Don't forget, the new boss of Cadillac hates EVs, and there is no roadmap to profitability for the ELR (it's simply a marketing exercise to keep the brand relevant); he won't look upon the ELR with a lot of enthusiasm.

 

[Blastphemy]

You said ... in a Cannonball style race the ELR could gas up quicker. You are right but that's not a typical use of either car.

Yes, but that ELR advantage isn't going to last forever:

Tesla Says One Battery-Swapping Site Will Go Live In December

 

[dsm363]

Blast...you may be marching with the lemmings soon but rest assured that you will still be my favorite one! I am missing your numbers since buying the base 85D looks like it is sitting at $85K without many of the add-ons but I know how much you really want a faster 0-60 car and the S will surely fit that bill (I have a 458 that takes care of my need). Good luck with the new S and, if you "review" it like you have the ELR, the other Tesla owners are in for a treat!

I am not too concerned that the ELR will beat the Model S 85D in performance, electric range, interior space and luggage capacity. No reason to call us lemings.

The ELR is the pinnacle of PHEV cars on the market. Great interior and tech features. The autonomous sensors and ACC of the new cars just eliminated the last major advantage the ELR has over the Model S other that faster refueling with gas and nicer interior.

 

[richkae]

Stay out of the casino's for a bit...your betting expertise is way off. I have a daily commute during the week of about 40 miles round trip. I last bought gas for the ELR 6 weeks ago....topping off the tank in less than two minutes and at a cost of less than $20. Barely had time to get a twinkie. Lifetime gas mileage sits right at 89mpg on mine. I charge up at night on a 240v (just like you) and even went so far as to install a 240v at the office just in case my daily travel is extended. I don't find myself calculating my out of town trips nor do I need to plan them around superchargers. When I do leave the confines of my home20 I drive 300 miles on gas...pull into Bucee's and fill up for about $30 and then I drive another 300 miles. My stop at Bucee's consists of pulling up to the pump, installing said pump nozzle, walk in and buy some jelly beans, walk back out, uninstall nozzle and drive away clean, sugared up and all in about 10 minutes.

The ELR certainly will not do 0-60 in 3 seconds. What it will do is pass up every Model S as they pull into the supercharger and continue its trip for another 300 miles while the S is getting juiced and set for its trip to the next supercharger. The S is a fine car and one worthy of all the praise that it gets...it is not easy being a pioneer in the automotive industry...and I look forward to each and every advance that EM comes up with for the brand, however, a BEV is not THE answer right now for the industry but it sure does help push us towards a more consistent care for the planet. You made a fine choice for yourself and it sure looks like it is working. I appreciate your attitude as I have run into an awful lot of Tesla owners whose pride in their purchase extends into subjective rudeness.

If you regularly want to drive 600 miles in a day, and prefer to spend a solid 10+ hours in your car with only a 10 minute break, then the Model S is not for you. The ELR is probably a better choice.

If your lifetime mpg is 89, then you do that at most 8 times per year, unless you drive a lot more than 15000 miles in a year.

You can choose to base your decision on what car to get on saving a half hour 8 days per year, but don't forget the other 357.

 

[magneto]

If you regularly want to drive 600 miles in a day, and prefer to spend a solid 10+ hours in your car with only a 10 minute break, then the Model S is not for you. The ELR is probably a better choice. If your lifetime mpg is 89, then you do that at most 8 times per year, unless you drive a lot more than 15000 miles in a year. You can choose to base your decision on what car to get on saving a half hour 8 days per year, but don't forget the other 357.

If I want to drive more than 280 miles in a day and not spend time wondering about road grades, air conditioning battery drain, out of the way supercharger trips and driving speed restrictions than the ELR is the car for me. That is why I bought one.

 

[richkae]

If I want to drive more than 280 miles in a day and not spend time wondering about road grades, air conditioning battery drain, out of the way supercharger trips and driving speed restrictions than the ELR is the car for me. That is why I bought one.

Your original post said: "pass up every Model S as they pull in to the supercharger and then continue its trip for another 300 miles", which is why I did the math on 600 mile trips and your stated mpg.
My point is that you are selecting for the rare case. For the average driver there are very few of those days.
If you have many more, or every minute on those days is critical for you, then I understand your choice.
I drive an average amount ( about 12k miles per year ), only experience a handful of those days per year, and my experience has been good.
The other ~357 days it is great, and the additional utility of my Model S is much more valuable to me.

You say that "a BEV is not the answer right now for the industry" but I think they actually work for the vast majority, and only a tiny minority like yourself need the flexibility of a PHEV to drive hundreds of miles per day with minimal pit stops very frequently.

 

[dsm363]

If I want to drive more than 280 miles in a day and not spend time wondering about road grades, air conditioning battery drain, out of the way supercharger trips and driving speed restrictions than the ELR is the car for me. That is why I bought one.

Ok. Guess the 600 miles in a day I drove a few weeks ago with part of trip up 6000 ft of elevation doesn't count. Brilliant.

 

[bareyb]

Cadillac. Lol. Now that's a cool brand. If you were my Grandpa.

 

[EXOTIC1]

Cadillac. Lol. Now that's a cool brand. If you were my Grandpa.

i would say the driving ages of Cadillac owners and MS owners is pretty similar
certainly in the 50 plus range on average

 

[bareyb]

i would say the driving ages of Cadillac owners and MS owners is pretty similar
certainly in the 50 plus range on average

Cadillac hasn't been relevant in the high end luxury sedan market in decades. That was the point. Nobody thinks they are cool anymore and this lame ass attempt at an EV is not doing anything to change that. They simply built another over priced car that nobody wants.