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Car Anti-theft System

Discussion in 'Model 3' started by PRSIST, Jul 17, 2017.

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  1. PRSIST

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    Sorry if this has been asked and answered, but does anybody know of a current Tesla owner that has put an after-market car alarm/security system on their S or X? The recent thefts in Europe prompted my question.
     
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    Qbenjamin Ballin On A Budget

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    The GPS technology inside the Tesla's are phenomenal, not sure why you'd need anything in addition? My wife got an alert on her phone that my alarm was going off when I opened up a door by mistake when I left the windows down and didn't have the key with me.
     
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    #3 Tam, Jul 17, 2017
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    Be aware that Tesla thefts with a laptop and without a fob is happening in Holland.

    Tesla confirms that this method is also used in other cars too, not just Tesla.

    2 out of about 11 cases were reported by electrek.co.

    GPS does no good because the first thing after opening the doors is to disable that first (simm card, wi-fi..)

    Tesla is working on a software fix.

    So in the meantime, an after market installation of alarm system with remote notification might be helpful.
     
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    Qbenjamin Ballin On A Budget

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    Thx for the heads-up...If mine is stolen, I just hope that they keep it for longer than 30 days so I can get a new one...:cool:
     
  5. PRSIST

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    I'm not a Tesla owner yet...are you indicating with your statement that Tesla has some kind of anti-theft warranty?? If you car is stolen and not returned within 30 days you get a new car from Tesla??
     
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    I think they're referring to insurance rules. 29 days is just a long joyride. :p
     
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    So far I'm not aware of a great solution to the boosting the keyless entry keyfob trick. Hopefully Tesla comes up with something unique and amazing. I personally, wouldn't like the idea of adding another alarm to the vehicle.
     
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    Technically they are using the fob signal. The laptop intercepts the fob signal and relays it to the car telling it to unlock and start. The car does not know that the fob is not there. In order for this to work they need to be within a certain distance of the fob and car. I

    They make RF blockers or you can make one at home.

    Blocking the signal from the key FOB
     
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    The car knows the fob is not there after it goes out of range. No cars are programmed to do anything about it after they've been put in drive.

    A booster only works if the fob is within range... once the car is in drive then your are home free with any GPS/cell phone jammer (so the car can't call home)
     
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    Why couldn't they relay the fob signal over the Internet? Sure it takes two people and two laptops...
     
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    Maybe users should be given the option to enable additional layers of authentication such as mobile app random key generation and passphrase protection on main display. That way those who find this type of security features difficult to handle can have them disabled while others can benefit from additional layers of security.

    And those who like good old physical security locks can also forego soft keys / passwords and get themselves heavy duty locks and keys.

    See Disklok
     
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    Fob booster is one technique but the downside is a thief needs a working fob somewhere within range for the boosting system to work.

    There seems to be another technique of descryption after reverse-engineering a number of Volkswagen fob signal samples.

    You then don't need an owner's fob within range any more:

    Your laptop has all the key signals to open the rest of the fleet of Volkswagen cars.
     
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    Or Touch ID on the iPhone app, for those who choose to enable it.
     
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    I'm not sure why anyone would steal a Tesla.

    Anyone that can afford a stolen tesla right now can afford a new one.

    When you steal a car worth $70K and up.....you have to be of average intelligence at best to sell it or sell it for parts in any profitable way. I would like to meet a person who stole a tesla. I have some questions I would like to ask through the bars.
     
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    There might not be just one person.

    Each person may have a specialized task.

    One may buy cryptographic keys for fob signal.

    Another would unlock a car by a laptop.

    Another would drive away.

    Another would disassemble parts.

    Another would just truck those parts such as battery pack below and got caught:

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    And since they are all specialists, a truck driver who got caught wouldn't have any idea about anything being stolen except for the job of trucking.
     
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    or a single person can steal a purse with the keyfob in it and the owners cell phone...
     
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    My question is this:

    What are they going to do next?

    There are very very few Model S and X owners taking their cars to back garage places to get them fixed. Most people that can afford Model S's and X's have good insurance.

    There is absolutely no market for stolen Model S and X parts.

    That would be akin to someone stealing a Bugatti Veyron and selling its parts. To who? Who is fixing Veyron's on the black market? If you can afford a 1+ million dollar car...then why are you having to black market repair parts for your car? That would be the dumbest type of stuff I've ever heard.
     
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    That is the job of a generalist or philosopher.

    For example, as a trucker, the job is to get the cargo over the border. A trucker's job is not to figure out how to sell the cargo. The job is just drive to an assigned destination!
     
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    I don't care about a trucker.

    I'm talking about the person stealing cars and selling the parts.
     
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    Just like a trucker who makes money not by figuring out how to sell the parts, the same thing goes with the one who drives the car away.

    That person makes money by driving the stolen Tesla to a dissembling shop and does not have to worry about how to sell those parts.

    In the end, there's a market for Tesla spare parts.

    You can wait for genuine bumper for 6 months shipped from U.S. to Germany or you can get it immediately from a junkers spare parts come from the above specialists and the junkyard owner would explain that it's all legitimate from hard working people.
     

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