M3BlueGeorgia
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The ironic thing is that CHAdeMO uses the same connector and protocol world-wide. Yet it is the one being pushed out.
Nah, it just wasn't as good.
The Japanese attempt to get control of the standard failed.
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The ironic thing is that CHAdeMO uses the same connector and protocol world-wide. Yet it is the one being pushed out.
That’s true but it also means having a separate connector for AC. That is a point in favor of CCS and even more so Tesla. The new ChaoJi standard is quite an improvement over CHAdeMO.The ironic thing is that CHAdeMO uses the same connector and protocol world-wide. Yet it is the one being pushed out.
"The nice thing about Standards is there are so many to choose from..." - unknown
I have a poster from early 1990's with this quote - it also lists all the computer communication standards from modems, ethernet, DECnet, Novel IPX, TCP/IP, IBM Mainframe, etc.etc. in a graphic showing how each relates to the other and the 7 layers...
There were a LOT of standards.
ok, I'll guinea pig.... I emailed the company for details. They were able to show information that the adapter had already been test marketed in Korea. Normally I’d be scriptural, but this company also had built a few products for Jack Rickard’s EVTV. One thing about Jack, I doubt he would’ve been doing business with a second rate company. So, I’m taking a chance and ordered one. Even if ‘only’ charged at 72kw, that’s a whole lot faster than the CHAdeMO 50kw.
While supercharger network is ok for 95% of my needs, my weekly commute places me in a an 90 mile stretch with no SC. (180 mile commute). While the car can do it non stop, my concern is if I ever get into a detour situation after the last SC, I’m screwed. Fortunately the PA turnpike now has several Level 3 stations along the way. So, either a CHAdeMO or CCS adapter is my life vest.
I’ll keep the thread informed if a) it actually shows up and b) if it actually works.
I have a poster from early 1990's with this quote - it also lists all the computer communication standards from modems, ethernet, DECnet, Novel IPX, TCP/IP, IBM Mainframe, etc.etc. in a graphic showing how each relates to the other and the 7 layers...
There were a LOT of standards.
CcS1 charging adapter launched in the first half of 2021
To enhance the owner's ongoing charging experience, Tesla Korea will officially launch the CCS1 charging adapter in the first half of 2021. The charging adapter makes it easy to charge your car not only with Tesla's dedicated supercharger and destination charging network, but also at CCS1-compliant public rapid charging stations.
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If that picture is anything like the real thing, then it'll absolutely require a retrofit. The adapter won't be entirely useless especially if they leave the older MS's in the dust with the retrofit. They haven't even gotten MCU2 to all the MS's
Gotta believe in this business every penny saved counts at volume. Guaranteed the BLE TPMS is all about lowering the BOM and faster manufacture. No extra radios, no extra wiring to the wheel wells. The whole industry uses the older style units but they are dirt cheap because they manufacture millions from tons of suppliers worldwide. Still worth the BLE switch. So I doubt they are going to add anything superfluous to the carThey could have been building the required chips in to the chargeport electronics for some time now, or not.
You’d think that they would have known both that they’d want it eventually and exactly what it needed to be ever since they started building CCS2 compatible units, so having it included the next time they changed hardware (which we know they did for Ravens if nothing else,) would be reasonable, unless they didn’t want to spend the little bit of extra cost.
Gotta believe in this business every penny saved counts at volume. Guaranteed the BLE TPMS is all about lowering the BOM and faster manufacture. No extra radios, no extra wiring to the wheel wells. The whole industry uses the older style units but they are dirt cheap because they manufacture millions from tons of suppliers worldwide. Still worth the BLE switch. So I doubt they are going to add anything superfluous to the car
No retrofit. It’s an adapter (wha hoo)! Think of the hand sized one for J1772. As Colorado is patching the supercharger holes with CCS this’ll be great when it comes stateside.
If that picture is anything like the real thing, then it'll absolutely require a retrofit. The adapter won't be entirely useless especially if they leave the older MS's in the dust with the retrofit. They haven't even gotten MCU2 to all the MS's
Retrofits on the inside of the car. For pre-May 2019 Model S and X in Europe, they need to install new hardware connected to the charging system. Current European cars include the necessary hardware but AFAIK, it isn't included in the US cars yet.How can you tell from that picture? We're looking at the CCS-1 end. The other end looks about the right size for a Tesla plug. Besides, if it required a refit, why not just add a separate CCS-1 port next to the Tesla port? Maybe kinda tight, but I imagine it could be done.
Retrofits on the inside of the car. For pre-May 2019 Model S and X in Europe, they need to install new hardware connected to the charging system. Current European cars include the necessary hardware but AFAIK, it isn't included in the US cars yet.
I think when others are talking about the possibility for retrofits, it's to warn people that they can't just buy the adapter from South Korea and expect it to work in North America.That's possible, but this announcement didn't even hint at it. We have no way of knowing if it would be required for the 3/Y, as they may have already anticipated this with those vehicles.
I think when others are talking about the possibility for retrofits, it's to warn people that they can't just buy the adapter from South Korea and expect it to work in North America.
Based on the option codes I've seen for European vs. American Teslas, the North American cars don't have the necessary hardware to use the CCS adapter. While the hardware might only cost $50, that would add up for tens of thousands of vehicles that might never use it. Tesla doesn't even include the HomeLink transmitter by default anymore so I'm pretty certain they don't include CCS compatible hardware on any pre-2021 North American cars.
When the time comes in North America, Tesla will start including the necessary hardware and will offer retrofits for those cars that have already been sold without it.