Chevy Bolt - 200 mile range for $30k base price (after incentive)

[McRat]

I'm not privy to all the details, but I'm pretty sure Tesla can't sell a pre-production vehicle even to an employee for road use. They would have to get that vehicle certified which costs quite a bit of money (plus the liability costs). That's why a lot of manufacturers just crush the vehicles. So the vehicles sold to employees are going to be production examples.

It's a different case if Tesla sold it to employees to be put on display (not road use), but I'm pretty sure not many people will take up that offer and we will hear about it.

AFAIK, vehicles sold by large mfrs must pass FMVSS, NHTSA, EPA. They are allowed to be updated. The problem is supporting 300 cars that could (will) have some component changes.

The reason they are crushed is because it would be more expensive to support than crush when the number produced is small. Tesla Motors is already used to supporting lots of early revision components.

 

[MXWing]

I've seen LOTS of people cross shopping a Bolt versus a used Model S (mostly 60s)...including myself. Seems 50/50 as to which one people end up going with.

One is a Tesla with cross country capabilities and one is an econobox that has the range to see your inlaws a few cities over.

Missing the overlap here..

 

[bro1999]

One is a Tesla with cross country capabilities and one is an econobox that has the range to see your inlaws a few cities over.

Missing the overlap here..

Need to take off the Tesla rose-colored blinders first.

 

[MXWing]

Need to take off the Tesla rose-colored blinders first.

I have a 2017 Volt and had a 2014 Volt.

Driver Confidence Packages 1 and 2 on the 2017 Volt (to be more Tesla like) are worthless and have no chance of fix through software. I don't think it will be any better on the Bolt

So yeah I have had two Chevys and just bought in on some GM stock but Tesla is another league.

Throwing good money at bad has more buyers remorse than overpaying for a superior product. Just my two cents.

 

[bro1999]

I have a 2017 Volt and had a 2014 Volt.

Driver Confidence Packages 1 and 2 on the 2017 Volt (to be more Tesla like) are worthless and have no chance of fix through software. I don't think it will be any better on the Bolt

So yeah I have had two Chevys and just bought in on some GM stock but Tesla is another league.

Throwing good money at bad has more buyers remorse than overpaying for a superior product. Just my two cents.

Can you explain why you think the DCI+II packages on your Volt are worthless? I have them on my Bolt, and I have found them to be quite useful. LKA does exactly what the name says, the rear cross-alert detection has kicked in a few times and alerted me to oncoming cars. The 360 degree birds-eye camera is very nice.

I have found the infotainment package seems to be fluff. The Bose speakers sound nice, but then again I find my '17 Volt's base speakers fine too. Wireless charging doesn't apply to me since my phone doesn't support it, and rear USB charging ports? Meh.

Last time I checked no Tesla has the 360 degree birdseye cam (though I've seen several threads lamenting the fact) nor does any Tesla have Android Auto/Apple Carplay.

I'd be hard pressed to justify a non-autopilot S60 over a Bolt. Unless you NEED the TESLA name in your driveway because someone wants to impress their shallow friends/neighbors.

 

[JRP3]

I'd be hard pressed to justify a non-autopilot S60 over a Bolt. Unless you NEED the TESLA name in your driveway because someone wants to impress their shallow friends/neighbors.

Right because that's the only reason people might spend more money on a vehicle. I guess that's why you bought a new Bolt instead of another EV, or even a used one? Funny how revealing your posts can be.

 

[bro1999]

Right because that's the only reason people might spend more money on a vehicle. I guess that's why you bought a new Bolt instead of another EV, or even a used one? Funny how revealing your posts can be.

I love how you can psychoanalyze people purely by reading pixels on a computer screen. You have quite the talent.

 

[McRat]

I have a 2017 Volt and had a 2014 Volt.

Driver Confidence Packages 1 and 2 on the 2017 Volt (to be more Tesla like) are worthless and have no chance of fix through software. I don't think it will be any better on the Bolt

So yeah I have had two Chevys and just bought in on some GM stock but Tesla is another league.

Throwing good money at bad has more buyers remorse than overpaying for a superior product. Just my two cents.

The Driver's Confidence Packages 1+2 on the 2017 Chevrolet Volt are very good.

I cannot testify about the Bolt EV, but the Volt has a blazing fast reaction time. One of the few driver's systems I've seen that can beat a human RT.

EDIT - What this means, is it works for people who are intensely focused on traffic, and still assists the driver. Most systems for are folk who do not pay attention while they drive. This is why they use a HUD warning system. So it alerts you BEFORE you can 'see' the threat.

 

[JRP3]

I love how you can psychoanalyze people purely by reading pixels on a computer screen. You have quite the talent.

Some people make it quite easy.

 

[Saghost]

I'd be hard pressed to justify a non-autopilot S60 over a Bolt. Unless you NEED the TESLA name in your driveway because someone wants to impress their shallow friends/neighbors.

Different strokes for different folks. If you need the ability to drive cross country, or like the RWD experience, or want more performance, or need to put a lot of stuff in the car, the S60 is obviously superior. Also much better phone app integration and Navigation and more comfortable seats, etc.

From everything I've read, the Bolt's not a bad car, but It's also not an S60 minus Autopilot for half the price. Individual owners will have to decide what's important to them.

 

[gene]

I'd be hard pressed to justify a non-autopilot S60 over a Bolt. Unless you NEED the TESLA name in your driveway because someone wants to impress their shallow friends/neighbors.

Unless you were to have a traffic accident and you would prefer to live through it.

 

[McRat]

Unless you were to have a traffic accident and you would prefer to live through it.

The 2017 Bolt EV has not been rated by either the IIHS or the NHTSA yet.

The 2017 Volt has though.
IIHS Top Safety Pick+ - One of only two US cars with this rating. The Pacifica is the other although it's owned by Fiat.
NHTSA - 5/5/5/5

 

[SageBrush]

From everything I've read, the Bolt's not a bad car, but It's also not an S60 minus Autopilot for half the price. Individual owners will have to decide what's important to them.

Let me put it this way: I would HATE to not be able to wait for a Model 3 and feel forced to consider a Bolt. Actually, I would buy a Prius Prime

 

[McRat]

... I would buy a Prius Prime

 

[bro1999]

Some people make it quite easy.

The Donald could use your services to track down all his true Twitter haters.

 

[bro1999]

Let me put it this way: I would HATE to not be able to wait for a Model 3 and feel forced to consider a Bolt. Actually, I would buy a Prius Prime

Your GM hate truly shines in this post. Congrats.

 

[bro1999]

Unless you were to have a traffic accident and you would prefer to live through it.

Like Joshua Brown?

 

[brucet999]

Far more people will get the tax incentive on the Model 3 than the Bolt. Could be ten times more.

OK, I'll bite. Maybe 100,000 M3 will get full rebate, another 100,000 partial, so you figure Chevy will sell only 10k to 20k Bolts?

 

[CSFTN]

Like Joshua Brown?

this is sarcasm, no? You realize that if its not, you are making a terrible false equivalency? Joshua Brown didn't just have a traffic accident. He drove/allowed his car to drive, under a fully loaded tractor trailer at high speed. Doesn't matter what he was driving; unless it was a tank he would have died. The point of the initial post was that Tesla's have a dramatically better safety design, including safety cage and crumple zones, so that the driver has a MUCH better chance of survival or non-injury in typical traffic accents as compared to just about anything else, including a car which is essentially a modified econobox, which fairly describes a Bolt, or a midlevel car, which fairly describes a Volt. You hear about David Geffen's accident, for example?

Don't get me wrong - I came to Tesla several years ago because of the Volt. I love that GM is at least making some effort in the EV forum.

 

[brucet999]

My 'Best' list is based on performance, handling, and range. The i3 can be had with a Range Extender option.

i3 with "range extender" is a plug-in hybrid, not a BEV.