Chevy Bolt - 200 mile range for $30k base price (after incentive)

[Saghost]

OK, I'll bite. Maybe 100,000 M3 will get full rebate, another 100,000 partial, so you figure Chevy will sell only 10k to 20k Bolts?

You seem to be forgetting or ignoring the one to two quarters of unlimited numbers after the 200k car at full rebate. If Tesla manages a fast ramp to production and games the timing on the 200k car, they could ram a lot of cars through those six months...

Having said that, the only reason ago few Bolt owners may get a rebate is because so many Volt owners are, so I'm not sure the 10:1 logic is relevant or useful.

 

[McRat]

i3 with "range extender" is a plug-in hybrid, not a BEV.

The i3 can be had without the range extender too. It is a superior vehicle to the Leaf with or without the REx.

If you want to call a car with a 25kW motorcycle engine generator 'gasoline-powered' be my guest. My 240lb dirtbike has a bigger engine than the i3 REx option. It's pathetic. But it sure as heck beats most EV emergency backup systems, which is a tow truck.

The Leaf has a Range Inhibitor option instead. It comes standard in warm climates.

 

[brucet999]

You seem to be forgetting or ignoring the one to two quarters of unlimited numbers after the 200k car at full rebate. If Tesla manages a fast ramp to production and games the timing on the 200k car, they could ram a lot of cars through those six months...

Having said that, the only reason ago few Bolt owners may get a rebate is because so many Volt owners are, so I'm not sure the 10:1 logic is relevant or useful.

Two quarters of unlimited? OK, then add another 100,000 full and 100.000 partial.
Did Volt actually count against the numbers? It's just a PHEV.

 

[MP3Mike]

Did Volt actually count against the numbers? It's just a PHEV.

Yes, Volt counts against the numbers.

 

[diamond.g]

Two quarters of unlimited? OK, then add another 100,000 full and 100.000 partial.
Did Volt actually count against the numbers? It's just a PHEV.

Yes, Volt counts against the numbers.

IIRC it is based on battery size right?

 

[Saghost]

IIRC it is based on battery size right?

Dollar value is based on battery size, but manufacturers aren't given a total number of dollars or kWh of rebate, just a number of eligible cars - any car with at least 2.5 kWh (or something close to that?) of plug in battery capacity counts as one of the 200k.

As it happens, GM may have worked with Congress to get the maximum rebate value set at 16 kWh, which the Volt just happened to have in the first generation, but that's not directly relevant to this discussion...

 

[bro1999]

IIRC it is based on battery size right?

Nope, doesn't matter. If it qualifies for the federal credit, it counts towards the 200k limit. So a PiP is the same as a P100D in that regard.

 

[SageBrush]

IIRC it is based on battery size right?

If you mean that some sort of normalization calculation is performed, then no.

 

[diamond.g]

Dollar value is based on battery size, but manufacturers aren't given a total number of dollars or kWh of rebate, just a number of eligible cars - any car with at least 2.5 kWh (or something close to that?) of plug in battery capacity counts as one of the 200k.

As it happens, GM may have worked with Congress to get the maximum rebate value set at 16 kWh, which the Volt just happened to have in the first generation, but that's not directly relevant to this discussion...

Thanks!

If you mean that some sort of normalization calculation is performed, then no.

Ah, no I was mistakenly conflating the amount of the rebate based on battery size with the getting of the rebate at all.

 

[McRat]

Dollar value is based on battery size, but manufacturers aren't given a total number of dollars or kWh of rebate, just a number of eligible cars - any car with at least 2.5 kWh (or something close to that?) of plug in battery capacity counts as one of the 200k.

As it happens, GM may have worked with Congress to get the maximum rebate value set at 16 kWh, which the Volt just happened to have in the first generation, but that's not directly relevant to this discussion...

That's why the Mirai gets $8000 Fed and $5000 California. Because GM lobbied for it. I often wondered.

 

[bro1999]

$5,000 "Market Adjustment" Added To Chevrolet Bolt At California Dealership

Hey, this Bolt is closer to a Tesla than any other Bolt...because its price is the closest to a Tesla. LOL
It's really shocking dealers still try to pull this kind of BS in this day and age.

Meanwhile, several large CA dealers are selling Bolts for up to $1,500 off MSRP. This Bolt is gonna get lonely sitting on the lot day after day.
This dealer already taking a pounding on social media and Yelp!

 

[Zaphod]

Ah and the lovely paint and interior "protection" package which is another way to gouge the buyer. And what the *&$% is "phantom footprints"?

edit: guess "phantom footprints" is some kind of anti-theft device where tamper-resistant labels are put on the car.

 

[TexasEV]

Also notice the $1579 in paint protection. And auto dealers wonder why they're hated so much. This is why GM lobbies to prevent Tesla direct sales in states that don't already allow it. They know the public would buy a car directly to avoid the auto dealers cartel if given the opportunity.

 

[wws]

Ironic that they would charge for both "theft protect" and also an additional $5k of "additional dealer profit"...

 

[BluestarE3]

Also notice the $1579 in paint protection. And auto dealers wonder why they're hated so much. This is why GM lobbies to prevent Tesla direct sales in states that don't already allow it. They know the public would buy a car directly to avoid the auto dealers cartel if given the opportunity.

 

[bro1999]

Ironic that they would charge for both "theft protect" and also an additional $5k of "additional dealer profit"...

Theft protection only kicks in AFTER you purchase that Bolt and the dealer is finished shaking you down.

 

[McRat]

I finally went to their site, and as far as internet sales, it appears to be MSRP.

Here's a window sticker on a loaded Bolt Premier with optional paint:

Glendora Chevrolet is a Glendora Chevrolet dealer and a new car and used car Glendora CA Chevrolet dealership.

 

[Oil4AsphaultOnly]

$5,000 "Market Adjustment" Added To Chevrolet Bolt At California Dealership

Hey, this Bolt is closer to a Tesla than any other Bolt...because its price is the closest to a Tesla. LOL
It's really shocking dealers still try to pull this kind of BS in this day and age.

Meanwhile, several large CA dealers are selling Bolts for up to $1,500 off MSRP. This Bolt is gonna get lonely sitting on the lot day after day.
This dealer already taking a pounding on social media and Yelp!

Thanks for this. I now know which dealership to avoid!

Note: This is still consistent with my stance of boycotting GM, because dealerships in my area actually carry multiple brands.

 

[RobStark]

170 miles of range at top speed of 92 mph.

Positive Review.

 

[3Victoria]

Hey, the Bolt is popular, so popular that there is gouging: $5,000 "Market Adjustment" Added To Chevrolet Bolt At California Dealership

EDIT: Oops, old news, sorry.