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Climate Change Denial
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Speaking of... here's a Right Wing Democrat. LOL
Coal-fired carbon capture projects are a waste of tax dollars
The proposed retrofit of a San Juan, N.M., coal-fired power plant is part of a push for potential 'carbon dioxide factories,' the authors write.
It's a solution that creates more problem that justifies more solution. Endless loop, good for business I guess.
Lots of actual discussion earlier refuting the claim of 'no global warming'. Bottom line is that climate denialism has no basis justified by falsified/cherry picked/erroneous satellite data. Crapping on those who disagree follows the refuting.
Also, many younger Republicans do care and they have active groups to fight global warming. It's really the older group that don't care because they figure it would never affect them in their lifetime. Well, in Las Vegas, last year was a record hot year and we were told that this year would be cooler... well, this year is even hotter!
BTW, new data on Nevada as #1 warming state. Oh, and we're supposed to be in a Solar Minimum now, so imagine what'd happen when we swing back to Solar Maximum.
Where does Nevada rank in fastest-warming states?
Every state is growing warmer, with higher temperatures fueled by everything from powerful ocean currents and giant coal-fired power plants to commuters, cows, and leaky old buildings.
www.reviewjournal.com
nwdiver
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.... you have to start with the same facts to have a disagreement. If I say we should drive from CA to NY because cars are faster than planes we're not having a 'disagreement' on how to get from CA to NY.....
The thread for 'disagreements' is here;
Climate Change / Global Warming Discussion
Lots of actual discussion earlier refuting the claim of 'no global warming'. Bottom line is that climate denialism has no basis justified by falsified/cherry picked/erroneous satellite data. Crapping on those who disagree follows the refuting.
Also, many younger Republicans do care and they have active groups to fight global warming. It's really the older group that don't care because they figure it would never affect them in their lifetime. Well, in Las Vegas, last year was a record hot year and we were told that this year would be cooler... well, this year is even hotter!
BTW, new data on Nevada as #1 warming state. Oh, and we're supposed to be in a Solar Minimum now, so imagine what'd happen when we swing back to Solar Maximum.
Where does Nevada rank in fastest-warming states?
Every state is growing warmer, with higher temperatures fueled by everything from powerful ocean currents and giant coal-fired power plants to commuters, cows, and leaky old buildings.
Oh, and on solar cycle... so the cycle that just ended was 2010-2020. This next one will be 2021-2031. Las Vegas is starting 2021 with a record heat. Scary to think about what what would happens in about 5 years. So much for the old people thinking it may not affect them, well the 80 year olds may 'luck out' by dying soon.
What Is the Solar Cycle? | NASA Space Place – NASA Science for Kids
The Sun’s activity follows an 11-year cycle. Learn more about it!
Speaking of Climate Denial in Houston...
A $26-billion plan to save the Houston area from rising seas
Climate-driven coastal flooding in the US likely to get worse suddenly
A $26-billion plan to save the Houston area from rising seas
Climate-driven coastal flooding in the US likely to get worse suddenly
JRP3
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‘The water is coming’: Florida Keys faces stark reality as seas rise
Officials prepare to elevate streets despite financial shortfalls, amid recognition that not every home can be saved The neighborhood of Stillwright Point in Key Largo, Florida. Photograph: Saul Martinez/The Guardian Long famed for its spectacular fishing, sprawling coral reefs and literary...
Climate change tipping points are upon us, draft U.N. report warns: 'The worst is yet to come'
A draft report by the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change warns that unless drastic and immediate action is taken to limit greenhouse gas emissions and keep global temperatures from rising further, life on earth is poised for a catastrophic reckoning.
‘The water is coming’: Florida Keys faces stark reality as seas rise
Officials prepare to elevate streets despite financial shortfalls, amid recognition that not every home can be saved The neighborhood of Stillwright Point in Key Largo, Florida. Photograph: Saul Martinez/The Guardian Long famed for its spectacular fishing, sprawling coral reefs and literary...www.yahoo.com
Well, DeSantis has signed into law to outlaw truth, I guess Univ of Miami will not be publishing any of these articles anymore.
New law will survey Florida students, professors on political views
Colleges could lose funding if survey of "ideas and perspectives" fails to satisfy state's GOP-run legislature
www.salon.com
nwdiver
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Portland at 102F and Arctic at 118F, seems like someone up there is trying to send a message... or maybe it's Jewish Space Lasers! :0
nwdiver
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Well, that FL condo situation is another sad end to denialism. It was identified as a problem back in 1990. Feel bad for the current owner/tenants who may have purchased/leased without being warned.
USA TODAY: Collapsed Miami condo had been sinking into Earth as early as the 1990s, researchers say.
USA TODAY: Collapsed Miami condo had been sinking into Earth as early as the 1990s, researchers say.
Collapsed Miami condo had been sinking into Earth as early as the 1990s, researchers say
The building had been sinking at an alarming rate - about 2 millimeters a year - according to a 2020 study.
www.usatoday.com
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There were no satellites to monitor the Arctic sea ice in the 1800s and the early 1900s.
The most scientifically accurate representation of global sea ice comes from these NSIDC graphs.
As you can see, Antarctica has not changed in 40 years. The Arctic has declined 2,000,000 km^2 in the same period, but holding steady in the past 15 years.
1979 was at the end of a cold period for the Northern Hemisphere, so of course the Arctic ice extent would be at a maximum then.
The global sea ice has gone from 24,000,000 km^2 to 22,000,000 km^2 in 40 years - all the decline in the Arctic. If you think about it, there will be more fluctuation in the Arctic than the Antarctic because the Arctic is an ocean. And North Atlantic ocean currents have more influence on Arctic sea ice than anything else. The almighty CO2 molecule is only an asterisk.
As you can see, Antarctica has not changed in 40 years. The Arctic has declined 2,000,000 km^2 in the same period, but holding steady in the past 15 years.
1979 was at the end of a cold period for the Northern Hemisphere, so of course the Arctic ice extent would be at a maximum then.
The global sea ice has gone from 24,000,000 km^2 to 22,000,000 km^2 in 40 years - all the decline in the Arctic. If you think about it, there will be more fluctuation in the Arctic than the Antarctic because the Arctic is an ocean. And North Atlantic ocean currents have more influence on Arctic sea ice than anything else. The almighty CO2 molecule is only an asterisk.
Here, you can see during the last 14 years, the Arctic ice has been steady. This is MASIE data from the NSIDC by the way - a higher resolution method of measuring sea ice extent.
I don't understand why you look at NSIDC data and then somehow use that data to suggest climate change is bogus. Like... why would you even bother? What possible reason do you have for doing this? Go find data from groups not called the NSIDC to somehow "prove there is no climate change".
The NSIDC has published numerous times that upon analyzing all of its data (with the MASIE being just one data source out of many) that they believe human caused climate change is real. No, the NSIDC isn't saying we will all die tomorrow; they're just experts at their own data and have their own conclusions and inferences.
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Quick facts, basic science, and information about snow, ice, and why the cryosphere matters The cryosphere includes all of the snow and ice-covered regions across the planet.
I mean, even if you thought you knew more than the NSIDC to the extent you could interpret their data better than the NSIDC themselves, you couldn't even post a picture of the MASIE data you were trying to show that included recent years. Climate Change Denier Ole Humlum has consolidated the NSIDC's data of the MASIE summary (all regions average). Here you go. So you want to declare to TMC readers that MASIE data "only shows a 8% decrease in measured average ice extents" ... so it's not actually climate change. Please at least bring in more recent data complied and interpreted by other climate deniers. Ole thinks 8% is just natural phenomenon and nothing to get worked up about.
This still brings me to the whole why the flying hell does it matter who is right or wrong? Since climate change folks and climate change deniers are so hung up on being right to preserve their egos, I think they lost sight of the concept that being individually right doesn't solve a damn thing.
If climate change folks are right; then they are trying to enact policy that could affect billions now and more billions in the future. It turns out we all have to share living on this planet one way or another. If they're wrong then what harm are they causing the billions as they attempt to reduce carbon emissions? Are we all destined to smoke Victory Cigarettes while we wage war with Eastasia's carbon emissions? Or maybe we're at war with Eurasia? I can't remember. What is so scary about what the climate change folks' agenda?
If the climate change deniers are right; then what great outcome is being erased because people somehow got forced to reduce carbon emissions and try to move to renewable energy sources? Maybe some coal miner has to find employment in a different industry? I know some climate deniers say the cost of their electricity has gone up because of renewables. But that hardly seems like a life-ruining event (especially since people can install solar and reduce their energy bill).
If there ends up being no significant climate change over the next 500 years... I think the climate change fear-mongers and the climate change deniers will both be equally unhappy anyway. Because people always find something to complain about. At least the Earth wins.
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Here is the Danish Meteorological Institute. They, like the NSIDC are all in for the human-caused global warming theory. That is how they get their funding.I don't understand why you look at NSIDC data and then somehow use that data to suggest climate change is bogus. Like... why would you even bother? What possible reason do you have for doing this? Go find data from groups not called the NSIDC to somehow "prove there is no climate change".
The NSIDC has published numerous times that upon analyzing all of its data (with the MASIE being just one data source out of many) that they believe human caused climate change is real. No, the NSIDC isn't saying we will all die tomorrow; they're just experts at their own data and have their own conclusions and inferences.
Learn
Quick facts, basic science, and information about snow, ice, and why the cryosphere matters The cryosphere includes all of the snow and ice-covered regions across the planet.nsidc.org
I mean, even if you thought you knew more than the NSIDC to the extent you could interpret their data better than the NSIDC themselves, you couldn't even post a picture of the MASIE data you were trying to show that included recent years. Climate Change Denier Ole Humlum has consolidated the NSIDC's data of the MASIE summary (all regions average). Here you go. So you want to declare to TMC readers that MASIE data "only shows a 8% decrease in measured average ice extents" ... so it's not actually climate change. Please at least bring in more recent data complied and interpreted by other climate deniers. Ole thinks 8% is just natural phenomenon and nothing to get worked up about.
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This still brings me to the whole why the flying hell does it matter who is right or wrong? Since climate change folks and climate change deniers are so hung up on being right to preserve their egos, I think they lost sight of the concept that being individually right doesn't solve a damn thing.
If climate change folks are right; then they are trying to enact policy that could affect billions now and more billions in the future. It turns out we all have to share living on this planet one way or another. If they're wrong then what harm are they causing the billions as they attempt to reduce carbon emissions? Are we all destined to smoke Victory Cigarettes while we wage war with Eastasia's carbon emissions? Or maybe we're at war with Eurasia? I can't remember. What is so scary about what the climate change folks' agenda?
If the climate change deniers are right; then what great outcome is being erased because people somehow got forced to reduce carbon emissions and try to move to renewable energy sources? Maybe some coal miner has to find employment in a different industry? I know some climate deniers say the cost of their electricity has gone up because of renewables. But that hardly seems like a life-ruining event (especially since people can install solar and reduce their energy bill).
If there ends up being no significant climate change over the next 500 years... I think the climate change fear-mongers and the climate change deniers will both be equally unhappy anyway. Because people always find something to complain about. At least the Earth wins.
However, there are good honest geoscientists who work at both institutions. Check out this statement from DMI.
"In total the loss of mass from the ice sheet equals a 25 mm addition to global sea level since 1840." Did you catch that? The total sea level rise from Greenland ice sheet melt is a grand total of 1 inch! It is as if the scientists snuck that little tid bit of information in. As you see, there really is nothing to get up in arms about concerning Greenland ice sheet melting. In fact, the surface mass balance of Greenland has recovered considerably since the record melt back in 2012.
However, there are good honest geoscientists who work at both institutions. Check out this statement from DMI.
"In total the loss of mass from the ice sheet equals a 25 mm addition to global sea level since 1840." Did you catch that? The total sea level rise from Greenland ice sheet melt is a grand total of 1 inch! It is as if the scientists snuck that little tid bit of information in. As you see, there really is nothing to get up in arms about concerning Greenland ice sheet melting. In fact, the surface mass balance of Greenland has recovered considerably since the record melt back in 2012.
You realize that the Greenland mass area is roughly 1/16 the size of the sea ice extents you were more than happy to bring up earlier. But I know 1 inch times 16 potential other thaws is still not cause for your alarm because you just don’t give a damn.
Climate deniers use all this fake supposition and conspiracy to defend their selfish behavior. They aren’t willing to even entertain that the Luxury of causing carbon emissions now could be harming future generations.
At least you have a Tesla. Most carbon deniers just use your arguments to rationalize a continuous behavior of selfish consumption. You still haven’t told me what craptastic future is being created by people worried about climate change.
It shouldn’t matter who is right. It should only matter why a large group of people risk the well being of others with their selfish defiance. You’re a smart guy, imagine if you used your intellect and ability to try and find beneficial change instead of unwavering stubbornness to keep a status quo of waste.
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