bkp_duke
Well-Known Member
Yeah, too much "turfing" I see going around.
Walk in a door, get a shot, if I ran things.
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Yeah, too much "turfing" I see going around.
Walk in a door, get a shot, if I ran things.
That sure is true, and it would be a total waste to discard it just because there's no one 'on the list' available.
But there also seem to be enough occurrences of somebody not giving a dang about guidelines and vaccinating the paper-pusher in the back-office before front-line personnel and the elderly.
At Elite Medical Centers, Even Workers Who Don’t Qualify Are Vaccinated
"A 20-something who works on computers. A young researcher who studies cancer. Technicians in basic research labs.
These are some of the thousands of people who have been immunized against the coronavirus at hospitals affiliated with Columbia University, New York University, Harvard and Vanderbilt, even as millions of frontline workers and older Americans are waiting their turns.
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Workers who have nothing to do with patient care, and who are not 75 or older, have been offered the shots. Some of the institutions were among the first recipients of the limited supplies in the United States.
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In Nashville, Vanderbilt University Medical Center asked all staff members, whether they were treating patients or not, to register for vaccination. Inoculations began in December, when the Tennessee Hospital Association sanctioned vaccinations for all hospital employees regardless of their roles.
On Jan. 6, the medical center announced plans to begin vaccinating its high-risk patients, but only after it had “administered the initial vaccine dose to well over 15,000 people working at the medical center,” according to an email it sent to its patients.
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“I wish our elderly relatives had received the vaccine before me,” said a young employee at Vanderbilt who has no contact with patients and asked not to be identified for fear of reprisals.
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At Columbia University, word quickly spread through research labs far removed from patient care: If you showed up at Milstein Hospital, the university’s primary medical center, you could get a vaccination — never mind whether your work had anything to do with patients.
Graduate students, postdoctoral fellows and researchers were soon lining up at the hospital auditorium, according to several university employees. Nearly everyone at one cancer research center affiliated with the hospital received the vaccine.
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Hospital officials said that they had eventually become aware of emails directing people to the auditorium but that anyone who didn’t need the vaccine had been turned away.
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But some recipients were upset to learn they did not qualify under state guidelines.
“My understanding now is that it wasn’t our turn, and I feel terrible about going out of turn,” said one young researcher whose work has no bearing on Covid-19. “I’m also frankly a bit angry at the hospital and at the university for not controlling it properly.”
At N.Y.U.’s Langone Medical Center, the outreach to staff members who have no contact with patients was more deliberate.
“We are currently offering the Covid-19 vaccine to frontline employees only,” the center’s website says. “We will message our patients as soon as we have the vaccine available for patients.”
But in an email to staff members on Dec. 28, Andrew Rubin, a senior vice president at the medical center, said the center had finished vaccinating its 15,000 employees who interact with patients and would begin vaccinating all other staff members. There was no mention of older adults or other priority groups specified by New York State.
An email on Tuesday to N.Y.U. medical center staff members who had not yet signed up for vaccination said, “As an employee of a health care institution, you have the opportunity to receive a vaccine that millions across the country want — and you can have, right now.”
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When coordination from the top is not there, things become a free for all. Though in any large effort, especially done quickly, there will be screw ups to the plan no matter how much organization there is. The jurisdictions where they are taking care to make sure the vaccine is distributed correctly are seeing slower roll out. That's inevitable.
There is a saying in engineering, but it applies to many things: Good, fast, cheap, you can get two if you're lucky. Because of bad logistics from the top down, we really aren't getting any of them. We're sort of getting fast, but with a lot of hiccups.
Vaccine Rollout Confirms Public Health Officials' Warnings brought up a point that hadn't occurred to me before:
"Hospitals cannot give all their workers shots on the same day because of possible side effects and staffing issues, so they must be spaced out."
"Hospitals cannot give all their workers shots on the same day because of possible side effects and staffing issues, so they must be spaced out."
Yeah, UCSD, working with San Diego County is opening a Vaccination Super Center where they will be able to vaccinate up to 5,000 people a day.
County of San Diego to Open First “Vaccination Super Station” in Partnership With UC San Diego Health, Padres and City of San Diego
http://www.vaccinationsuperstationsd.com/
That's a pretty big chunk of the type of capacity that is required to get the county vaccinated in a timely manner. If we assume that we want to vaccinate all 3.3M people in the county within 6 months, that's about 18,000 vaccines / day.
Keep in mind that until there's approval for either the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine or some other ones for folks under 16 or 18 years old, it's not likely they'll be vaccinated. So, that at least takes out a significant chunk of that 3.3 million people, for now.
I found U.S. Census Bureau QuickFacts: San Diego County, California; California but, obviously that's old data. Not sure how accurate Census profile: San Diego County, CA is.
TheTalkingMule
Distributed Energy Enthusiast
This all captures the current state of America so well. Our corporations are strong enough to develop, manufacture and sell billions of doses of a new vaccine inside of 9-10 months, but we can't figure out how to put a liquid into people's arms efficiently to save their lives.
TheTalkingMule
Distributed Energy Enthusiast
Novavax bosses cash out for $46 million with COVID-19 vaccine trials still under way
Not sure why you'd allow execs at publicly traded companies to cash out after receiving gov't funding equal to 4x their previous valuation. Keeping in mind these guys were given the most money and have delivered nothing, though they do have signed supply deals. Unclear how much US taxpayers will get from this company selling vaccine to Australia.
Why Was Novavax Awarded Almost $2 Billion in Free Money? | The Motley Fool
Not sure why you'd allow execs at publicly traded companies to cash out after receiving gov't funding equal to 4x their previous valuation. Keeping in mind these guys were given the most money and have delivered nothing, though they do have signed supply deals. Unclear how much US taxpayers will get from this company selling vaccine to Australia.
Why Was Novavax Awarded Almost $2 Billion in Free Money? | The Motley Fool
JRP3
Hyperactive Member
What happens if you're exposed to covid while waiting inline to get the vaccine? Will the vaccine still provide protection, and if so at the same level?
bkp_duke
Well-Known Member
No, the vaccine will not protect you if you are exposed the same day. The current vaccines don't provide any protection till about day 5-7, and even then it is pretty low. The complete ramp-up of immune response from the first dose only provides about 50% protection. You NEED that 2nd dose to get to 90+% protection.
The mass vaccination setup by UC SD is EXCELLENT. People don't stand in line, they sit in their cars with the windows up waiting in a car line. Similar to what has been done for rapid testing, which to date has not been shown to be the source of any significant outbreaks.
JRP3
Hyperactive Member
So these mass indoor vaccinations could be superspreader events
At least everyone is wearing masks.Given last Wednesday’s insurrection superspreader event, I doubt indoor vaccinations will add much more.So these mass indoor vaccinations could be superspreader events
Capitol Riot Likely a Superspreader Event
It's just nuts - masks should be mandatory at all indoor spaces where multiple households congregate. Non-compliance = removal from building.
Tocilizumab and Sarilumab May Improve COVID-19 Survival
Interleukin-6 receptor antagonists tocilizumab and sarilumab, both used in the treatment of rheumatoid arthritis, may improve outcomes in critically ill patients with COVID-19, according to a study. Though previous studies were mixed on any positive effects from using these 2 drugs.
Interleukin-6 receptor antagonists tocilizumab and sarilumab, both used in the treatment of rheumatoid arthritis, may improve outcomes in critically ill patients with COVID-19, according to a study. Though previous studies were mixed on any positive effects from using these 2 drugs.
any more news or concern on side effects from vaccines
my 27yr old cousin doing residency took the 2nd round of pfizer vaccine and had a bad reaction. face, arms swollen, eyes swollen shut, hives, fever, etc.
dunno if isolated allergic reaction or if small subset of potential effects or what
my 27yr old cousin doing residency took the 2nd round of pfizer vaccine and had a bad reaction. face, arms swollen, eyes swollen shut, hives, fever, etc.
dunno if isolated allergic reaction or if small subset of potential effects or what
TheTalkingMule
Distributed Energy Enthusiast
Do we really care about herd immunity once everyone over 55 and those otherwise compromised are vaccinated?
Exactly. Get everybody over 65 inoculated and the death rates will drop like a stone.
bkp_duke
Well-Known Member
The long-term complication rates in the 30 and over crowd recovering from COVID are reason enough to get vaccinated.
Just google COVID Long Hauler. These are becoming more the norm than the exception.
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