That and the piss poor performance of the current generation 4680 cells. No where near what was advertised on battery day - yet they put (sh)it in the early trucks anyway. Why? Because there’s an Elon C-suck around every corner that will pay $120 for these early bastards.
4680 never made sense to me anyways from a marketing perspective... they sold them briefly in Texas made Model Ys ... in the version where you get *less* range and which sold at a *discount*. that hardly screams SUPERIOR battery from a customer perspective.
Right. My wife has one of those bastard model Y AWDs. In addition to poor capacity, these 4680 pack charge way slower than the 2170, or gold standard - 18650.
I think you're confusing/conflating two things here. You're assuming that Gigatexas only produces MY's with structural 4680 packs - this is not true. Gigatexas has multiple MY lines - one of which was producing, for a time, 4680 MY AWD models - which used a 4680 structural battery pack as you're saying here. This line was taken offline in September 2023 since the Gen 1 4680 production battery line was also taken offline at that same time - once the Gen 2 4680 Cybercell line was built and started produced Gen 2 4680 Cybercells with enough volume to support initial CT production. The original Gen 1 line is being upgraded to produce Gen 2 Cybercells, along with lines 3 and 4 also being built out in H1 2024, with lines 5-8 predicted to come online H2 2024.
Hey, the FSD works! So does the turn signal (the other left).
Man... I feel your pain on the cheaper 4680s. But I just watched the Munro on how the structural pack works, it's super cool engineering. Just wish they had taken the time and/or focused more getting the energy density and charging performance to at least where 2170s are.
100%
The Gen2 4680 Cybercells are in the same density range as the 2170s in the MY/M3 are now - right around 270wh/kg in other words (IIRC it's actually 269wh/kg but close enough). The Gen1 4680 cells only had around 246wh/kg in comparison. So Tesla is making some progress - but it's definitely going more slowly than they had hoped without a doubt. Hopefully the changes to the battery chemistry that were recently leaked hold some water - i.e. going from NMC811 to NMC955 or NMC973. Only time will tell though. I'm assuming the 2170 packs use the same NMC955 chemistry - but am not certain. If so, then I'd expect the same chemistry changes to be integrated into the 2170 cells at some point as well by Panasonic - which may also boost up wh/kg density for the 2170 cells in a similar manner. That said, I'd surmise that eventually almost all Tesla vehicles would use 4680 cells once the gremlins are resolved and production volume ramp is accomplished.
It's a good look into that data sample but there's a silent majority of RN holders that either aren't aware or jazzed enough to enter info on CTOC.
also only applicable to the CyberBeast which is $$$. the more mundane Cybertruck AWD does 0-60 just as fast as... a 2yr old F150 Lightning AWD...
This is that BS I keep talking about... it's irrefutable that Tesla actively and regularly lies in its marketing and the FTC really needs to crack down...
Munro is a shill. He's a consultant. He's not going to say anything Elon wouldn't want him to say.
