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Agree. Picked mine up last week and then had to make a road trip from Cleveland to Chicago and back. I found one of the most useful situations for AP was in traffic. It really made it more relaxing.Only 300 Kms in my new M3, but I have to say AP in stop and go traffic on the highway has been great. Yesterday was light rain and no issues.
The system detected a car trying to get in in front of me and slowed down for it.
...But, after thinking about it, I realized it would be very stupid to rely on ANYTHING during heavy rain or fog
So it really doesn't matter whether it uses Vision or Radar. Shouldn't use either one during heavy weather.
Uh... people have been driving themselves in "matter of survival" circumstances since cars were invented. No one thinks automation like this, even magical SAE Level 5 systems of the future, are going to be able to automatically drive in blind conditions. That's just not on the requirements list anywhere.It's not advisable to drive in total darkness, headlights off, smoke, wildfire evacuation, thick fog, heavy rain.. but sometimes it's a matter of survival.
True. In escaping a wildfire with near-zero visibility, evacuees don't need radar to drive through, they just do it or be burned alive if left behind. However, it's nice to have radar to lead them through if there's a lead car in front.Uh... people have been driving themselves in "matter of survival" circumstances since cars were invented...
That sounds like such a niche case where you shouldn't be using ACC in the first place, that I doubt it will really play much of a factor.True. In escaping a wildfire with near-zero visibility, evacuees don't need radar to drive through, they just do it or be burned alive if left behind. However, it's nice to have radar to lead them through if there's a lead car in front.
There might be cases of emergencies that people have to drive in very heavy rains and they don't need radar to drive through, they just do it or otherwise, it's not called emergencies. However, it's nice to have radar to lead them through if there's a lead car in front.
And so on...
A niche case for California Central Valley winter (seldom snow) where I live as there are often times that fog would be so thick that it's near-zero visibility called "Tule Fog".That sounds like such a niche case where you shouldn't be using ACC in the first place, that I doubt it will really play much of a factor.
It is not pressure, it is torque. Steering wheel doesn’t have pressure sensors.
- Asks me to put pressure on the steering wheel every ten seconds or so, even with my hands on the steering wheel like someone who doesn't trust it
This is the most pedantic reply I have ever seen on the internet. In fact, you aren't applying a torque, you're applying a force which is what the message actually says. You're applying a force that is tangential to to the steering wheel.It is not pressure, it is torque. Steering wheel doesn’t have pressure sensors.
Pressure implies you apply a force along the axis of rotation of the steering wheel like when you are pressing the horn or pressing a button on it. Torque implies a rotational force which is probably more accurate. Anyways, I never had a problem with the nag and I hold the steering wheel naturally with both hands and provide a little bit of resistance to AP's movements. I don't have to deliberately apply any force.This is the most pedantic reply I have ever seen on the internet. In fact, you aren't applying a torque, you're applying a force which is what the message actually says. You're applying a force that is tangential to to the steering wheel.
A moment of force tangential to the steering wheel is the definition of torque.This is the most pedantic reply I have ever seen on the internet. In fact, you aren't applying a torque, you're applying a force which is what the message actually says. You're applying a force that is tangential to to the steering wheel.
My point is it's not safe to rely on ACC in this situation either. For example in that pileup, I doubt radar ACC would save you (or that you should even be using it in the first place), given even if you had ACC that was able to detect a car or two in front, the cars in front might not. Then even if you were able to stop in time (ACC is not tasked with that, AEB is, but Tesla's AEB does not target preventing a crash, especially at higher speeds, only reducing the speed of the crash), the car in the back might not (that's typically the case in pileups).A niche case for California Central Valley winter (seldom snow) where I live as there are often times that fog would be so thick that it's near-zero visibility called "Tule Fog".
“Fog is our number one killer here when it comes to traffic collisions,”
At least 40 vehicles crash in dense fog on Highway 198
108 Vehicles in California Fog Crash
Deadly 90-car pileup / At least 2 killed, dozens injured on foggy highway south of Fresno
A 90-vehicle pileup on fog-shrouded Highway 99 killed at least two people and injured...www.sfgate.com
Just because it doesn't rain in Tesla factory, it doesn't mean Tesla bumpers don't need to survive through the rain.
Sorry if obvious, how am I supposed to know if I have the new vision system? I took delivery of a 2021 Model 3 LR AWD this past Tuesday.
Anyway, for some people (notThis is the most pedantic reply I have ever seen on the internet. In fact, you aren't applying a torque, you're applying a force which is what the message actually says. You're applying a force that is tangential to to the steering wheel.
What is ACC?My point is it's not safe to rely on ACC in this situation either. For example in that pileup, I doubt radar ACC would save you (or that you should even be using it in the first place), given even if you had ACC that was able to detect a car or two in front, the cars in front might not. Then even if you were able to stop in time (ACC is not tasked with that, AEB is, but Tesla's AEB does not target preventing a crash, especially at higher speeds, only reducing the speed of the crash), the car in the back might not (that's typically the case in pileups).
If the visibility is low, you should be driving in much slower speeds (such that you can stop within your visibility). What caused that accident was people weren't doing that.
Adaptive Cruise Control. (Tesla calls it TACC=Traffic Aware Cruise Control.)What is ACC?