Take your pick! Some insist that only Autopilot works on highways even when you have FSD beta such as in the 8 car pile up in San Franciso.
"Then of course there is the fact that the Tesla was travelling along a five lane highway
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Take your pick! Some insist that only Autopilot works on highways even when you have FSD beta such as in the 8 car pile up in San Franciso.
"Then of course there is the fact that the Tesla was travelling along a five lane highway
I don't understand how anyone can believe it's not going backwards.
FSD beta engages at some difficult exit ramps even on highways where Autopilot would typically be engaged. At the same time, the FSD beta stack is not responsible for highway driving most of the time — only at exits where Navigate on Autopilot is unsupported (whether you are taking the exit or not, incidentally).Take your pick! Some insist that only Autopilot works on highways even when you have FSD beta such as in the 8 car pile up in San Franciso.
"Then of course there is the fact that the Tesla was travelling along a five lane highway, a type of road where FSD Beta cannot be engaged and where only Tesla’s Autopilot can be activated."
Many of us have now used FSD-Beta pre-release extensively, operating on city streets with full time driver attention required. GM is releasing a similar product in UltraCruise and other companies have it in the works. The question of the poll -- we all find it interesting, but do you find driving this way a desirable and relaxing experience, they way you enjoy Autopilot on Freeways, or if you use it, are you mostly just trying it out and hoping for a full-release FSD that doesn't require driver attention? In the questions below, to say you "Like" a system is to say it makes driving more enjoyable or relaxing and you would pay a decent price to have it in your car. The first two answers are for people who have paid for FSD in their car, even if just for a month to try it. The poll is for Tesla drivers who have at least AP.
(Don't put much focus on what was promised vs. what was delivered, or on whether the driver monitoring is hands-on or hands-off. The question is more whether having the car do most of the driving while you watch and sometimes intervene is pleasant, and if that changes between city streets and freeway.)
Well, while this is a self-selected survey so I can't conclude too much, and both views are well represented, I did not expect "I like it" to be 2:1 over not liking it and just trying it out. Of course this is people who spent a lot of money (though sometimes only $200) for it though in many cases they spent that money for what it promises to be in the future, not what it is now -- but many new buyers may well focus on what it is now.Hey Brad. Love your insight on self driving cars. I voted first option. FSD has a steep learning curve but once you mastered it, it’s gonna be very helpful. It is a better AP, just accept it can’t do everything well and correct often.
Well, while this is a self-selected survey so I can't conclude too much, and both views are well represented, I did not expect "I like it" to be 2:1 over not liking it and just trying it out. Of course this is people who spent a lot of money (though sometimes only $200) for it though in many cases they spent that money for what it promises to be in the future, not what it is now -- but many new buyers may well focus on what it is now.
Either way it suggests there is a market for monitored city street driving, though more study is needed to figure what people would pay for that.
Tons of selection bias for sure.Well, while this is a self-selected survey so I can't conclude too much, and both views are well represented, I did not expect "I like it" to be 2:1 over not liking it and just trying it out. Of course this is people who spent a lot of money (though sometimes only $200) for it though in many cases they spent that money for what it promises to be in the future, not what it is now -- but many new buyers may well focus on what it is now.
Either way it suggests there is a market for monitored city street driving, though more study is needed to figure what people would pay for that.
Road is clearly marked as 20mph and it did slow down from a previous 30mph zone. The speed limit did show up clearly on the display. That particular section of the road has a left bend, so I am thinking that AP thinks the parked vehicles are opposition direction cars and heading towards me.Check the speed limit display. It probably thought it was a 10mph limit. Unfortunately the NHTSA 'recall' is going to make this behavior worse and force adherence to speed limit by slowing down beforehand even more.
Absolutely yes. I use FSD every chance and miss it sorely when it’s not available because off heavy rain (I should say in 90% of Seattle rain it works).Hmm. Not trying to ask about your hands but your eyes. Is a product where, from time to time, you must grab the wheel, and thus you must watch at all times, a pleasant driving experience? I guess I should have asked whether hands-on/off made the difference but the key one is eyes on/off.
Try wiper setting 2 and report back whether it disables. Not sure! I guess I will find out next week here probably.when it’s not available because off heavy rain (I should say in 90% of Seattle rain it works).
I can try .. but why would I ? I usually have it on auto, anyway.Try wiper setting 2 and report back whether it disables. Not sure! I guess I will find out next week here probably.
Because you said you miss it (sorely!) when it is unavailable! This is an easy way to make it available again a larger percentage of the time. (If it works reliably, which is TBD. Presumably if the rain is really bad it might disable anyway. But I think 2 likely works in most cases, based on brief testing in the rain.)I can try .. but why would I ?
I just saw your other post. Will definitely try it out … thx.Because you said you miss it (sorely!) when it is unavailable! This is an easy way to make it available again a larger percentage of the time. (If it works reliably, which is TBD. Presumably if the rain is really bad it might disable anyway. But I think 2 likely works in most cases, based on brief testing in the rain.)
Maybe if the rain is hard enough it doesn’t respect the setting, and uses a higher setting - in which case there would in theory be minimal benefit (though there would be some). No idea.
I agree with you on the poor implementation of "hands on steering wheel". I get so many cautions when my hands are clearly on the steering wheel. It is annoying having to tug on the steering wheel all the time. But, camera on face is just intrusive. What if you are like my friend who insists on covering her entire face with a scarf and wears sunglasses? - she has skin cancer paranoia!Tons of selection bias for sure.
Regarding hands on wheel vs. attention they seem exactly the same to me with the exception of the poor Tesla implementation which can probably be fixed if they get serious about the cabin camera (which can see neither hands nor wheel but can definitely do the job, no question).
Anyway if it isn’t entirely eyes off, there is nowhere for your hands but the wheel, so I don’t really see the issue with that part of it (other than the specific implementation as I said).
Six of one, half dozen of the other vs. eyes-only monitoring.
Overall wish the poll had been more clear in the options that you were asking whether FSDb was enjoyable & relaxing. As you said in the OP. There is a pretty big difference between “liking while monitoring” (what most selected) vs. it “making driving more enjoyable [and] relaxing [and desirable] (what you were asking).
@AlanSubie4Life Today, as soon as it started raining, I changed the wipers from auto to 1 (and then 2). Worked fine - no "FSD degraded" message. It wasn't raining hard - so will have to check when it does rain heavily what happens if I keep the setting at 2.I just saw your other post. Will definitely try it out … thx.
As luck would have it, we have a dry spell now