You can get done for going too slowI'm not at all sure that it is 100% correct to say that one must adhere to the speed limits... you are allowed to drive slower.
Lest us forget that they are a limit not a target.
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You can get done for going too slowI'm not at all sure that it is 100% correct to say that one must adhere to the speed limits... you are allowed to drive slower.
Lest us forget that they are a limit not a target.
Yes..I know.You can get done for going too slow
I was playing....Absolutely correct! Apologies if my choice of terms was misleading.
Nice post Nick, thanks for taking the time and effort to share your experience.I've owned a Tesla Model S in the US for about 4 years, and recently went on a trip in the UK. We rented a Model S through Turo, and had a fantastic host who was kind enough to rent us his car. Specifically, we got Model S 75D. It was a refreshed model and since he had purchased FSD, it was upgraded to HW3 and had MCU2. It was really so close to my car back home, the differences were the lack of a sunroof, and the driver's seat was on the other side.
Firstly, leaving the airport, I immediately had the "where am I sitting in this car" problem, where I tended to put the car into the left side of the lane, instead of the middle. It didn't help that the lanes were so small. A double-tap for AutoPilot, and the car was right there for me, putting itself back in the middle of the road.
We drove over 1300 miles in our 9 days out there, and the car was awesome, in just the way you would expect it to be. Free supercharging was also nice.
There are a few differences with a Tesla out there, and I just wanted to go over them...
Charging.
The Tesla Superchargers are slightly different. The Tesla plug is long gone, and the socket in the back of the Model S is called a "Type 2" connector. I was told by the owner that Tesla had changed this out.
When going to a v2 Supercharger, there are two cables; one with a Type2 connector, and the other with a (UK version) CCS connector. Connecting to a v2 Supercharger was easy.
When going to a v3 Supercharger, there was a warning on the navigation that I would need a CCS adapter (which had been provided by the owner) and was necessary to be used from the CCS only cable to the Type2 socket on the car. The adapter worked easily and even had a locking mechanism.
At a friend's house, I wanted to top off the Tesla (they owned a Model3) and I was surprised by the fact that their home charger (connector?) did not have a cable. Again, the owner of the Model S had provided a charging cable that had a Type2 connector at both ends. First time that I have run into a charger that did not have a cable coming out of it.
During our travels we stuck almost exclusively to Tesla Superchargers, although we did use a few others. In Rugby, the Tesla Supercharger (16 stalls) had a Starlink terminal above it (very cool) and another 16 non Telsa chargers right next to it (both CCS and ChadeMo.) We also managed to find (and use) the smallest supercharger that simply had 2 stalls.
In Scotland we used a public charger at the Falkirk Wheel, and again had to use our own cable. The charger worked and we got to see the wheel in motion. At another location in Scotland, we tried to use the charger, and were unable to get it to provide power (despite a phone call to tech support.) They said the charger had been used the day before with no issues, but all I got was a flashing red error light on the Telsa Type2 connector port.
Overall the charging in the UK seemed to be slower. I'm not sure if that's because of the 75D has fewer cells than my 100D back home, or just the systems are slower. The v2 chargers were listed on the map as 130kW and not 150kW like at home. I rarely saw over 100kW while charging.
AutoPilot.
Driving in the UK was awesome. The roads were smaller, they were never straight, and they had so many roundabouts. Roundabouts are a huge thing in the UK, and there are roundabouts instead of stop signs at 3-way intersections, and roundabouts instead of traffic lights at 4-way intersections and huge roundabouts to get on and off the motorways (freeways.)
Roundabounds were an issue for the navigation system. The problem was that some roundabouts would sometimes have an "exit" that was little more than an entrance gate to the farmer's field, and it was a running joke that "take the third exit" could also mean the 2nd or 4th exit. As you get on a roundabout, the navigation system (in front of the driver) would show you the map of the roundabout - but it would often disappear before the exit was taken, leaving you stranded on the roundabout with no idea which exit was yours.
Navigation waypoints were a similar issue to roundabout navigation. We would be on a route, and told to stop at the supercharger, and sure, it would get us to the correct car park (satellite view is awesome for finding the supercharger in car parks) - but before we actually got to the supercharger the navigation would assume we were on our way, and show use the route out of the car park and onto the next location. We often found ourselves scrambling to zoom into the MCU map to find how to get to the supercharger at the other end of the carpark.
Speed Limits and Signs.
First of all, let's talk about UK speed limits. The motorway has a 70mph speed limit, and they have traffic cameras everywhere to enforce this stuff. There are also "variable speed limits" where they may dynamically change the speed limit on the motorway from 70 to 60 to 50mph to help deal with traffic. We also ran into pollution speed limits where they changed the speed limit from 70 to 60 to help reduce pollution (according to the signs) - which was ironic when driving the Tesla, but hey.
The problem with the Tesla and the speedlimits is that the Tesla AutoPilot (Traffic Aware Cruise Control) always wants to change your speed in 5mph increments. So going from a 70mph to a 40mph zone was 6 taps of the AP stalk, which was frankly a pain. The UK does not have 25, 35, 45mph limits, so it would be great if Tesla would give an option for 10mph changes on the AP stalk, and not just 5mph changes.
The AP system was great with speed limit signs, and was really good about noticing that the last sign changed the speed on the motorway from 70mph to 60mph and adjusting the speed limit in the car accordingly - however there were some issues...
The UK has this great system of "count down markers" that really remind me of racetracks. There is a 300, 200 and 100 yard countdown to motorway exits, with signs with III and then II and then I on them before the start of the exit. Similar signs were used in villages to show when the speedlimit was about to change, so you could be driving though a village in a 30mph zone, and would get "countdown warnings" about the impending 20mph zone. Unfortunately, the AP would see the "20mph in 300 feet" warning as a "20mph zone" sign, and immediately change the speed limit in the car. This resulted in many audio warnings about breaking the speed limit, when we were not. In the US, we get "35 zone ahead" signs, that the car interprets correctly, it would be nice if the UK signs could also be interpreted correctly.
Another issue was truck-speed signs. We were on this road in the Scottish highlands (so beautiful) and were on a 60mph road (kinda like a US highway.) There were signs for trucks 7.5 tons and higher to have a speedlimit of 50mph.
This resulted in the AP stating that the speedlimit was 50mph and refusing to drive on autopilot with autosteer above 50mph. This made this part of the trip so much harder to drive, and was frankly annoying. In the US we get "55 Truck" speed limit signs on the freeways, even though the car speed limits are still 65mph, and the AP ignores them. The AP system needs to learn to interpret these signs in the UK.
Overall, driving the Tesla in the UK was a great experience. It was great to drive a familiar car in different conditions, and I would certainly recommend this approach to any other Tesla owners out there.
And yet a 50% higher death rate. Maybe 6 is to blameWhen I recently went to the US Hertz gave me a Dodge Challenger.. sadly I couldn't get a Tesla due to having different start/finish locations.
As for driving in the US:
1) lack of speed cameras.
2) Awesome parking space size.
3) Wide lanes.
4) Straight roads.
5) Driving in your cities is so easy (LA, San Fran, San Diego)
6) Mixed feelings about lane discipline and passing in the inside. Not really a big deal.
All in all you can tell the automobile is king!
On a side note, I ended up spending more money on fuel in the US than the UK, they don't seem to care that much about fuel consumption.
First up, great post Nick. I’ve driven a lot in the States but not since going to Tesla a few years ago. Great to read the flip version of what I’d probably experience there now.Thanks for the replies everyone...
I think the long-press for autopilot speedmatch is a Model 3/Y thing, as the model S/X have a dedicated AP stalk.
An additional thing that works out here on Model 3/Y is that if you tap on the speedlimit on the screen, it will set the AP speed to that speed.
Interestingly, the Model S owner in the UK was kind enough to grant me permission to his car through the app - ie, add me as an additional driver. I got the invite, but when I clicked on the link it basically said that my USA based account was incompatible with this feature. As a result, I never got to use the app in the UK (but it was a very generous offer by the owner.)
I found that the AutoPilot was fairly confident steering in most situations. I found that on the motorway, if I asked for a lane change, I had to relax my grip in the steering wheel, or it would not change. It was fairly good on all roads with road markings for keeping in lanes. A-Roads, and B-Roads were generally not an issue, and I don't think I tried it on single-lane country lanes.
Overall I found that the confidence on the system was very similar to what I would expect in the US.
I found AutoSteer was very useful on many roads to assist me in putting the car in the middle of the lane.
The truck speed limit signs (yes, Scotland) were annoying, and are certainly deal with correctly in the US (we have TRUCK 55 signs.)
FWIW passing on the inside is not that unusual in Australia and people there somehow manage. It's also not illegal here although if you're specifically manouvering to undertake then you might get done for it. British drivers are mostly awful from what I've seen, terrible lane discipline, can't follow speed limits, overly aggressive driving, never signalling, act like they're the only ones on the road, etc. Maybe it's just an Edinburgh thing.And yet a 50% higher death rate. Maybe 6 is to blame
Some blame the UNECE regulations for our restrictions but maybe they just save us from ourselves.
As a Brit, I'd +1 this, especially after having done a couple of road trips across Europe. I really wish there was a public education campaign to remind people how overtaking on motorways is supposed to work.British drivers are mostly awful from what I've seen, terrible lane discipline, can't follow speed limits, overly aggressive driving, never signalling, act like they're the only ones on the road, etc. Maybe it's just an Edinburgh thing.
I don't actually think undertaking, passing on the left is a cause, the figures I've seen more recently show US death rates are 4x higher than uk. I don't think you can put it down to our road types limiting speed, our safest roads by far are motorways and dual carriageways, the type of roads you seem to be suggesting are the cause in the US. Our worst type of road is country roads, 2 way, bends with poor visibility, tractors, pedestrians and not always room for 2 cars to pass easily, and that type of road is less common in the US. Maybe, just maybe, our regulations, law enforcement, and culture play a part. And our regulations include the ones we're talking about.FWIW passing on the inside is not that unusual in Australia and people there somehow manage. It's also not illegal here although if you're specifically manouvering to undertake then you might get done for it. British drivers are mostly awful from what I've seen, terrible lane discipline, can't follow speed limits, overly aggressive driving, never signalling, act like they're the only ones on the road, etc. Maybe it's just an Edinburgh thing.
I'd say the death rates are lower because we mostly live in high density cities where you can barely get to 20mph. If we had massive networks of freeways, nice wide roads and genuine city bypasses like the US we'd probably be putting up similar numbers.
This is where it's really important to understand the metrics. I'm sure they are safest by accidents recorded per 1000 people per hour, but in comparison there is little traffic tootling around the back roads of Cornwall.our safest roads by far are motorways and dual carriageways
This is where it's really important to understand the metrics. I'm sure they are safest by accidents recorded per 1000 people per hour, but in comparison there is little traffic tootling around the back roads of Cornwall.
It won't be the first or last time that happens.It turns out that you are quite wrong!
This is where it's really important to understand the metrics.