Elon: FSD Beta tweets

[Zaddy Daddy]

Robotaxi-level FSD is not happening on HW3.0. The B-pillar position simply isn't sufficient for seeing cross traffic in a too-high number of cases. It's just making it a huge statistical challenge.

I mean no one was saying FSD was going to be better than a human driver who is driving safely and paying attention, but you want to put that software in a situation where a human driver 1) is paying attention 2) trying to be safe and 3) can lean forward, and you expect the computer to have a similar result?

Luckily it seems this issue is moot on HW4, as there was some evidence the repeater cameras FOV now includes +90 degrees laterally. I'm sure this isn't a coincidence.

 

[JulienW]

....Luckily it seems this issue is moot on HW4, as there was some evidence the repeater cameras FOV now includes +90 degrees laterally. I'm sure this isn't a coincidence.

Actually that is a myth mostly fulled by DirtyTesla testing them both. He made a mistake by parking in a different parking spot giving the illusion of a wider view. Clearly they are about the same.

 

[DDotJ]

Actually that is a myth mostly fulled by DirtyTesla testing them both. He made a mistake by parking in a different parking spot giving the illusion of a wider view. Clearly they are about the same.View attachment 961788

For reference, this is the corrected comparison with vehicle parked in the correct spot:

 

[JulienW]

Not to brag, but why not. I noticed it immediately while watching and made the first comment.

 

[aronth5]

Has anyone seen the camera view from the new front cameras?

 

[DDotJ]

Has anyone seen the camera view from the new front cameras?

Yes, through the camera preview feature in the car on my HW4 Model Y.

 

[MarcG]

For reference, this is the corrected comparison with vehicle parked in the correct spot:

View attachment 961789

Yikes.. at this point it might be wise to wait for HW5 then

 

[Zaddy Daddy]

Actually that is a myth mostly fulled by DirtyTesla testing them both. He made a mistake by parking in a different parking spot giving the illusion of a wider view. Clearly they are about the same.View attachment 961788

Yikes

 

[Silicon Desert]

Yikes.. at this point it might be wise to wait for HW5 then

yes, except for me. At my age, by the time that occurs, I will be dead

 

[Supcom]

Yikes.. at this point it might be wise to wait for HW5 then

At which time you will wait for HW6 because it will be faster still with better sensors and temperature controlled cup holders.

 

[MarcG]

At which time you will wait for HW6 because it will be faster still with better sensors and temperature controlled cup holders.

Lol whatever it takes for REAL full self driving, when a Tesla can drive without any humans in the car

 

[aronth5]

Yes, through the camera preview feature in the car on my HW4 Model Y.

I should have been clearer. Not the fender camera but the updated cameras on the front windshield. Do they have a wider range of view to help address the B-pillar camera's limitation with forward looking obstructed views?

 

[DDotJ]

I should have been clearer. Not the fender camera but the updated cameras on the front windshield. Do they have a wider range of view to help address the B-pillar camera's limitation with forward looking obstructed views?

I can post photos when I am out and about tomorrow. In the service menu, it lets you view all of the cameras including the ones on the windshield.

 

[JulienW]

I can post photos when I am out and about tomorrow. In the service menu, it lets you view all of the cameras including the ones on the windshield.

The problem is we need a HW3 and a HW4 sitting in the exact same spot one after the other with a static background in order to get an objective idea. DirtyTesla's "1 parking spot away" example shows how skewed perception can be.

 

[Phlier]

The problem is we need a HW3 and a HW4 sitting in the exact same spot one after the other with a static background in order to get an objective idea. DirtyTesla's "1 parking spot away" example shows how skewed perception can be.

They could use math to determine field of view in degrees of both systems, but yuck… math.

 

[Bladerskb]

When you remember that there are cars whose rear camera and repeater cameras looks like this in the rain.
It should quench any thoughts of these cars ever becoming "Level 5".

 

[willow_hiller]

When you remember that there are cars whose rear camera and repeater cameras looks like this in the rain.
It should quench any thoughts of these cars ever becoming "Level 5".

This is how Autopilot handled it 4 years ago. It's much better now. FSD Beta is great in the rain:

 

[spacecoin]

This is how Autopilot handled it 4 years ago. It's much better now. FSD Beta is great in the rain

Let’s just ignore the enormous gap between L2 and L3. Cameras arent deemed safe enough even in optimal conditions. At night and in rain without cleaning? Lol.

 

[texas_star_TM3]

Let’s just ignore the enormous gap between L2 and L3. Cameras arent deemed safe enough even in optimal conditions. At night and in rain without cleaning? Lol.

or blinding sunlight which *routinely* in mornings / evenings with low Texas sun hitting ... disables temporarily my B pillar cameras and the car tells me that...

 

[JohnB007]

or blinding sunlight which *routinely* in mornings / evenings with low Texas sun hitting ... disables temporarily my B pillar cameras and the car tells me that...

Curious, is this with FSD?

I used to get a lot of that too when sun was hitting at certain angle but for some reason, ever since that one stack version was released, it no longer does that to me.