thesmokingman
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That's a big assumption. I rather prefer Reed Hastings take than just assuming Emperor's New Clothes.
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Elon & Twitter
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I think "cancel culture" is just a term/label people use to just again, divide people and spread hate. It's unnecessary like so many things out there.
I think everyone has their freedom of speech, but just because others also have freedom to shop somewhere else doesn't make it cancel culture. It's just a choice thing and folks crying everything is cancel culture is just to get political and try to get the right or left to side with you when things don't have to be that way.
With Twitter, if they became a hate, violent filled, porn site, some companies just don't want to associate their brands with that market so they leave. There's nothing really to cancel. People bring up cancel to just get other folks jumping in to support their own divisive agenda.
Like with Ye saying he can say/do whatever he wants and Adidas will never cancel him. Why does he even need to bring that up? Bad behavior, make 50% of the world probably hate you and not support your products and the owner of the brand realizes it's possibly bad for business. The arrogance of these wealthy/powerful/popular people is pretty sickening.
What's sad is a lot of young folks look up to all these influencers.
ElectricIAC
Good-Natured Rascal
It’s today’s version of the Mafia with DEI grifters as Captains, and impressionable youths as the associates and soldiers.
It’s been that for a long time.
Hate is such a strong word. I’m indifferent about the guy despite him running off at the mouth about my people. I wouldn’t have bought his shoes either way because they’re overpriced.
Cancel Culture now is a bad is because people that used to do the cancelling are now getting cancelled. Other than that cancel culture has been around as long as human society has been around. Otherwise ask why actors like Rock Hudson never came out as gay. Ask why Alan Turing even after being a hero of WW2 was chemically castrated and imprisoned for being gay. Ask the Dixie Chicks were cancelled by the right for being against the Iraq war.
ElectricIAC
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You mean like how they tried to do EM when he suggested Ukraine could be de escalated?
italian bread
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Sure, but funny that you refer to it as de-escalated rather than reward Putin for his bad behavior. I actually defended Elon on this because he was freaking out about Nuclear War.
Here's the AP News story, with quotes from Musk saying that he's actually (in contrast to his recent posturing)
pro-moderation and anti-disinformation: EU warns Musk to beef up Twitter controls ahead of new rules
Does Tim Cook own a Tesla? Hopefully he had a thing or two to say about software release processes and not using customers as beta testers. Apple hasn't really ever broken my MacBook Pro with a software update. Tesla on the other hand...
ZenRockGarden
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I can't keep track of what Elon believes any more in the area of free speech.
Most misinformation is totally free speech. So is most expressions of hate, racism, etc.
Most moderation activities are anti-free-speech, standards of conduct, staying on topic, avoiding personal attacks, "excess snippiness" (I love that term from this board).
As Musk rants that he's trying to save us from free-speech-oppressors, his actual decisions are decidedly the opposite in many cases.
I kinda don't think he has a core moral value here - it's window dressing on a tribal desire for particular speech to be heard on his favorite platform.
And before you trot out "Freedom of speech, not reach" that's still picking who gets to be heard clearly on a public forum or not - just a slightly different mechanism for muting their speech. I'm in favor of moderation, but then again I know it's not a constitutional free-speech overstep by the government.
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Why can't both takes be true?
Just because you prefer one take, doesn't mean that the other isn't true as well.
Edit: Clarify typing.
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ZenRockGarden
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I don't think the "OJ did it, and the cops framed him for it too" is a good defense here
bkp_duke
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Google says a BMW 5 series.
Having been a BMW owner . . . their software doesn't impress me either.
So disingenuous. Elon wants to make it transparent and he doesn't want the government to decide, that's why feel threatened that one person get's to decide that they don't get to decide.
bkp_duke
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She just hates him because he made her look like a fool when she said billionaires should be taxed more . . . and then he went out and paid more tax than any human in history, ever.
while she flies on private jets with her family, SMDH.
italian bread
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Maybe Apple will start charging customers for beta OS releases.
AlanSubie4Life
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Maybe Elon should stop believing everything he is told, or reads on Twitter.
Why did Elon bring this up if it wasn’t true? Why does this keep happening?
Why did Elon bring this up if it wasn’t true? Why does this keep happening?
ElectricIAC
Good-Natured Rascal
It’s certainly possible there were unofficial ultimatums thrown around before a meeting of the minds took place.
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