Elon's Thanksgiving gift: Beta 5 coming in a few days

[BriansTesla]

I don't know about you all but the most fascinating thing about these latest videos for me is how human like the driving is. For better and for worse the good decisions and the bad ones are very much what you see every day. To me this really does seem like AI and the child is being trained to drive just like a human. Seems eerie to me.

 

[powertoold]

I don't know about you all but the most fascinating thing about these latest videos for me is how human like the driving is. For better and for worse the good decisions and the bad ones are very much what you see every day. To me this really does seem like AI and the child is being trained to drive just like a human. Seems eerie to me.

Starting at 15:56 is a prime example of how assertive and human-like this newest version is. Perfectly paced unprotected left turn and then going around the park car with no hesitation, with perfect speed control:

 

[DanCar]

Green says visualizations will be a challenge on MCU1.
https://twitter.com/greentheonly/status/1332779572429955072

well, it all depends on how important the visualizations are to the whole thing. If they can move more of the map/route processing into ap unit itself, they don't need as beefy of an infotainment to do it in a timely manner.

 

[DanCar]

Based on the many comments that beta 5 is human-like, I'll conclude that it looks like Tesla switched to imitation learning for part of the driving policy for beta 5. In imitation learning Tesla knows what to do from following previous driver behavior.
First google link on imitation learning: A brief overview of Imitation Learning

 

[n.one.one]

Based on the many comments that beta 5 is human-like, I'll conclude that it looks like Tesla switched to imitation learning for part of the driving policy for beta 5. In imitation learning Tesla knows what to do from following previous driver behavior.
First google link on imitation learning: A brief overview of Imitation Learning

That looks like an interesting article. While I know I can search for one is there a particular video on this subject that you would recommend?

 

[DanCar]

Here is Andrej talking about imitation learning during Tesla autonomy day, April 22, 2019.

Same video but within full Tesla autonomy day video. Skip to the 2:13:30 mark.

 

[diplomat33]

Elon tweeted that a wider beta testing of FSD Beta could happen in 2 weeks:

Tesla Full Self-Driving Beta wider release coming in just a few weeks, it's both scary and exciting - Electrek

 

[mikes_fsd]

Green says visualizations will be a challenge on MCU1.
https://twitter.com/greentheonly/status/1332779572429955072

Green also said that Tesla uses HD maps to drive the car.

 

[DanCar]

Green also said that Tesla uses HD maps to drive the car.

HD maps means different things to different people. I wouldn't get upset about use of that term. I know what Green means and sounds good to me. It is not the same as Waymo centimeter accurate 3d maps. There are a lot of advantages to accurate detailed maps, like knowing a sharp turn is coming and slowing down and possibly adjusting the suspension for body roll. Tesla's use of path projection based on leaned driver inputs is a way of encoding a map.

 

[DanCar]

Based on watching videos, youtuber comments, and forum comments, looks like this is very close wide EAP release status. I wonder what Tesla is waiting for before allowing everyone to join the EAP beta program.

 

[mikes_fsd]

HD maps means different things to different people. I wouldn't get upset about use of that term. I know what Green means and sounds good to me. It is not the same as Waymo centimeter accurate 3d maps. There are a lot of advantages to accurate detailed maps, like knowing a sharp turn is coming and slowing down and possibly adjusting the suspension for body roll. Tesla's use of path projection based on leaned driver inputs is a way of encoding a map.

This is just BS that people who want to ignore the fact that Karpathy directly addresses it in his presentations (both February and June 2020 presentations)

 

[Daniel in SD]

Starting at 15:56 is a prime example of how assertive and human-like this newest version is. Perfectly paced unprotected left turn and then going around the park car with no hesitation, with perfect speed control:

and then hits a curb...

 

[powertoold]

and then hits a curb...

It does not.

 

[Daniel in SD]

It does not.

Ok, it "felt" the curb at this frame. You can clearly see the driver hits something.

 

[DanCar]

This is just BS that people who want to ignore the fact that Karpathy directly addresses it in his presentations (both February and June 2020 presentations)
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I see you got upset again about a vague term.

 

[mikes_fsd]

I see you got upset again about a vague term.

Not really, words have meaning!
When the person designing the system says there is no HD Maps, I prefer to believe that person over someone poking around in compiled code.

 

[mikes_fsd]

Ok, it "felt" the curb at this frame. You can clearly see the driver hits something.

"Felt too close to curb" !== "hit curb"

 

[Daniel in SD]

"Felt too close to curb" !== "hit curb"

Some people use the term "felt" as a euphemism. That's why I said he hit the curb! Because he touches/hits/feels/comes in contact with the curb in video. Do we need to have another argument about semantics?
Maybe we need to do a poll.

 

[EVNow]

Some people use the term "felt" as a euphemism. That's why I said he hit the curb! Because he touches/hits/feels/comes in contact with the curb in video. Do we need to have another argument about semantics?
Maybe we need to do a poll.

The most common usage of "felt too close" is what is sounds like - it was too close for comfort. No need to assume the worst.

If I say I disengaged because "there were a lot of pedestrians" - it doesn't mean the car ran over a few of them !

 

[Daniel in SD]

The most common usage of "felt too close" is what is sounds like - it was too close for comfort. No need to assume the worst.

If I say I disengaged because "there were a lot of pedestrians" - it doesn't mean the car ran over a few of them !

True, but I fully expect when Whole Mars Catalog crashes his car he'll say it "felt like I hit something", which will be correct!
Anyway you can clearly see the car hits something when watching the video. Maybe you all don't have 1080p

For example he said here it "felt too close" when you can clearly see the issue is that it's steering directly in to a parked car. It's just the way he uses the English language.