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Entire Supercharging Team Fired?

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News yesterday is that the entire 500+ person word-wide SC team has been let go. That is alarming. Why would Elon sack the execs and all the employees of this important part of Tesla's business? Could Tesla be selling the SC network off to a third party? Opinions? Other theories?

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I doubt he'll walk away with "nothing"
You're right, as the Chancellor already argued, he was already fantastically rich off Tesla stock, so he has already been paid and doesn't need more from Tesla to maintain alignment with them as a public company.

As for what you actually meant, the Chancellor is unlikely to accept any compensation package this Board suggests, given their cronyism. So even if this current vote goes through, it's at risk of acceptance by the court unless it's an overwhelming acceptance from the shareholders (like 90% yea). This is why Tesla is trying to move to Texas, because as long as they are in Delaware, anything the board votes for will likely be contested and lost in the courts. The irony here being that Tesla's preferred solution is to try and find a different place to play rather than play by the rules, since they have zero interest in obeying the rules. Thankfully it seems that is even less popular with shareholders than the compensation package is.

So it may very well be that he gets "nothing" because it will be very hard for this board to put anything to a shareholder vote that withstands scrutiny, even if it is a future vote for "only" $10B or so. And if they switch to a board that is actually independent, there is a very large chance that board would fire him.

How are you suggesting he's going to get "something" in this environment? (Assuming the move to TX doesn't pass).
 
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Sadly for Delaware they probably miss out on oodles of tax revenue in this scenario wouldn't they?
Tax is owed where it is earned, not where the company is incorporated.
If tax was owed where a company was incorporated, every company would be incorporated in South Dakota or Wyoming, and every person in the USA would run an LLC in some zero income tax state,

As you mentioned last. Moves to Texas.
The shareholders have to approve this and it's very unlikely as shareholders actually like having companies incorporated in places where they actually have a chance of resolution if the company misbehaves. There is basically no reason for any logical person to approve this except the deepest of Elon stans who just think he's the dreamiest. I mean they are basically telling shareholders "please let us move to TX so that we can lie to you and not be held accountable!"
 
Tax is owed where it is earned, not where the company is incorporated.
If tax was owed where a company was incorporated, every company would be incorporated in South Dakota or Wyoming, and every person in the USA would run an LLC in some zero income tax state,


The shareholders have to approve this and it's very unlikely as shareholders actually like having companies incorporated in places where they actually have a chance of resolution if the company misbehaves. There is basically no reason for any logical person to approve this except the deepest of Elon stans who just think he's the dreamiest. I mean they are basically telling shareholders "please let us move to TX so that we can lie to you and not be held accountable!"
Would Elon not be earning tax in Delaware?
 
If you owned a company and one of your managers refused your direction, would you keep her?
Maybe. Good leaders create a culture of respectful conflict to achieve the best outcome while also maintaining decision authority and overruling when necessary.

Mob bosses say “do what I say without question or I’ll kill you and your entire family.”

Who do you want to work for?

I can’t believe we still have sycophants defending this some thousand posts later.
 
Would Elon not be earning tax in Delaware?
No, just like you get taxed where you earned your income, Elon pays taxes in the place he earned it. If you work from home you don't pay taxes where the company is incorporated, you pay it for your home address.

Which gets very complex for people that travel a lot, but it has absolutely nothing to do with where the company is incorporated, even for executives.

The fact we are discussing such basic corporate tax policies while being expected to respect opinions on Elon's pay package....
 
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NACS Rollout timelines appear to be slipping:
pcmag is a strange media source to find and publish this news. I'm a little skeptical. It matches what we have seen, that the Ford and Rivian nacs adapter rollout has been really slow, with no explanation. Rivian had about 50-100 people get theirs from media reports, online reports didn't find any optimistic projections of timelines. Similar thing for Ford. Those adapters aren't hard to make, many 3rd party companies are now making them. Something is going funny there.

Is Tesla doing this slow so superchargers don't get overwhelmed with ccs users, or what?
 
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pcmag is a strange media source to find and publish this news. I'm a little skeptical. It matches what we have seen, that the Ford and Rivian nacs adapter rollout has been really slow, with no explanation. Rivian had about 50-100 people get theirs from media reports, online reports didn't find any optimistic projections of timelines. Similar thing for Ford. Those adapters aren't hard to make, many 3rd party companies are now making them. Something is going funny there.

Is Tesla doing this slow so superchargers don't get overwhelmed with ccs users, or what?
Or it could be typical Tesla parts stocking speed. Tesla wasn't exactly fast in stocking their CCS adapters (for Teslas) nor many parts in their store (like the 14-50 adapter for example).
 
You're right, as the Chancellor already argued, he was already fantastically rich off Tesla stock, so he has already been paid and doesn't need more from Tesla to maintain alignment with them as a public company.

As for what you actually meant, the Chancellor is unlikely to accept any compensation package this Board suggests, given their cronyism. So even if this current vote goes through, it's at risk of acceptance by the court unless it's an overwhelming acceptance from the shareholders (like 90% yea). This is why Tesla is trying to move to Texas, because as long as they are in Delaware, anything the board votes for will likely be contested and lost in the courts. The irony here being that Tesla's preferred solution is to try and find a different place to play rather than play by the rules, since they have zero interest in obeying the rules. Thankfully it seems that is even less popular with shareholders than the compensation package is.

So it may very well be that he gets "nothing" because it will be very hard for this board to put anything to a shareholder vote that withstands scrutiny, even if it is a future vote for "only" $10B or so. And if they switch to a board that is actually independent, there is a very large chance that board would fire him.

How are you suggesting he's going to get "something" in this environment? (Assuming the move to TX doesn't pass).
looks like they got 72% vote.. think that'll be enough? or do you still think he'll walk away with "nothing" lol
 
looks like they got 72% vote.. think that'll be enough? or do you still think he'll walk away with "nothing" lol
My guess is that the Delaware judge still rejects this "vote" and they have to complete the move to TX and start again with a whole new proposal.
Nothing about the pay package vote is binding since it was a re-affirmation of something that was initially flawed. But the fact that the shareholders voted to move to TX might sway the judge.

I notice that while you quoted me, you seemed to have missed the "Assuming the move to TX doesn't pass" part of my original estimate.
 
Or was the process flawed in the first vote and the new vote is a due process re-afirmation of the shareholders wishes. Seems, despite all the attacks, they still believe Elon Musk is an integral part of Tesla's future.
Yeah, seems like that is the attempt. IANAL, so can't tell if the second vote really is enough to make the difference in this regard. It really depends on if the Delaware judge bought that the 2nd vote was done in a "fully informed" manner (which she argued the first one was not in her opinion). However, even if that was determined as "fully informed" all that does is shift the burden of proof of "entire fairness" back to the plaintiff, but yet the judge already made the determination that the defendant failed to prove "entire fairness," so not sure how that plays out.

"Delaware law allows defendants to shift the burden of proof under the entire fairness standard where the transaction was approved by a fully informed vote of the majority of the minority stockholders. And here, Tesla conditioned the compensation plan on a majority-of- the-minority vote. But the defendants were unable to prove that the stockholder vote was fully informed because the proxy statement inaccurately described key directors as independent and misleadingly omitted details about the process."
https://courts.delaware.gov/Opinions/Download.aspx?id=359340

I'm not also entirely sure what the Delaware law is in the other remaining aspects of the lawsuit. Can shareholders (if fully informed) legally approve a compensation measure even if it was "unfair"? Basically for example, an employee or executive did X amount of work, that "deserves" X amount of compensation, but investors just decide to give extra compensation as a bonus just because they like them. Is that not allowed (for example if a minority of investors complain that is not fair compensation)?

Here's the full text of the proposal (go to Proposal Four). It actually references the Delaware lawsuit (also summarizes the various arguments made), so presumably that is an attempt to point to shareholders that they have been informed of the arguments made in that lawsuit.
"For purposes of your consideration of the Ratification, you should consider all of the facts disclosed in this proposal as pertinent to your vote on Ratification, including but not limited to the conclusions reached by the Delaware Court described herein."
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1318605/000110465924048040/tm2326076d13_pre14a.htm#tPROFP
 
Or was the process flawed in the first vote and the new vote is a due process re-afirmation of the shareholders wishes. Seems, despite all the attacks, they still believe Elon Musk is an integral part of Tesla's future.
I think most of the shareholders recognize that whether or not he's doing a reasonable job, Musk leaving (which he would probably do if the pay package got rejected) would crater the stock.

I do anticipate a lot of institutional investors will slowly transition away from tsla
 
I’ll be a contrarian here and say Tesla may succeed in one of their moonshots (Optimus or Robotaxis or something else) and rocket up again in market cap. I’m not a Tesla shareholder, and I own 2 of their vehicles so either way this potential isn’t great for me since all I care about is them improving the quality and level of innovation of the vehicles I want to drive and enjoy myself. None of these moonshots will help me with that.

I’ll add to this: I think they should spin off the “traditional” and “legacy” car making business and appoint Musk as CEO of the moonshot entity and condition his outsized reward on success there.