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Where's the 2015 Dec number in your plot coming from? Wiki has only NL so far.
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373 registrations in Norway this month as of 12/26, according to MrBacardi
Denmark Dec num on nrpla.de never changed since update a week ago.
The total number of European Tesla Model S deliveries in Q4 2015 will be about 5,000 (I think).
MB CLS/S | 807 |
BMW 7 | 352 |
Tesla Model S | 234 |
Audi A7/S7/RS7 | 217 |
Audi A8, S8 | 164 |
BMW 6 | 120 |
Porsche Panamera | 78 |
Germany - 234 cars in December. Model S sales sales took third place, beating Audi A7/S7/RS7, Audi A8/S8, BMW 6, Porsche Panamera. Not a bad showing.
http://www.kba.de/SharedDocs/Publik...82A25E9AF.live1042?__blob=publicationFile&v=2
MB CLS/S 807 BMW 7 352 Tesla Model S 234 Audi A7/S7/RS7 217 Audi A8, S8 164 BMW 6 120 Porsche Panamera 78
Coming from Other German manufacturers: 12I would love to see the reaction to these sales data and hear words spoken in the Porsche boardroom.:smile:
Coming from Other German manufacturers: 12
Von welcher Marke kommt ihr? Freunde
In other words, I think that the Panamera has no future in its current form and will silently disappear / be marginalised. The big fight with Porsche will be the Model X.
The other real headwind for the UK market will be the interior. The go to choice of Range Rover in the £100k segment, really is rather special inside, and my 2014 Model S certainly isn't as well screwed together as my wife's Q7
I hear you well. However, according to this article here (sorry in German) Dräxlmaier is doing part of the interior of the Model X. They are otherwise doing Mercedes, BMW and Audi interiors. So I have hope that this part of the product will improve as well... But as you say: we will see.
I agree the Panamera will be marginalised (if it isn't already, with heavy discounting required to shift the Diesels here)
If the X does well in translation from US to EU (well UK) tastes is hard to know right now.
Personally I'd prefer a non FWD option, as would my Q7 driving wife. It's a bit too brash if I'm honest.
The other real headwind for the UK market will be the interior. The go to choice of Range Rover in the £100k segment, really is rather special inside, and my 2014 Model S certainly isn't as well screwed together as my wife's Q7
When you compare a Model S to other performance luxury saloons, it so demolishes them in performance terms you can make allowances for the interior.
When you compare a luxury SUV, then I can't help but think the purchasing choices place performance further down the list. (Even some US sig owners were upset in having to pay for P option)
Will certainly be interesting to see.
Most were upset because with the Sig S the performance was an option and they took that away on the X. I don't know that it had so much to do with people caring less about performance in an SUV so much as a deviation of what they offered when they sold the S.
It's silly things like grab handles, door bins, lighting in the vanity mirrors, using a clip instead of a screw, having the bare minimum of fixings and using the minimum of padding in the seats. All of which individually weigh nothing, but all add up on the scales. You can see all the same tricks in my other car (a Lotus) and no doubt Tesla learnt a thing or two during their partnership.
I will take grab handles,garment hooks and a Double Gulp sized beverage holder with the massive weight penalty.
And the range penalty that goes with that?
You are obviously right Rob and the huge lengths manufacturers are going to to reduce weight is a pointless exercise.
Tesla chose aluminium because it's cheap and easy to work with, and BMW invested 100's of millions in developing new CF technologies just for shitz and giggles
Like it or not weight is a key design parameter in car design. Weight hurts everywhere, acceleration, handling, efficiency (range), ride. so weight budgets are fought tooth and nail between the varying design groups, all tracked at fine detail of every component, which in turn is constrained in material choice by cost. Quite simply the easiest way to reduce cost is to leave stuff out,
I guess the alternative view as to why Tesla's don't have such simple things as grab handles, door bins and lights in the mirrors (which even my first ever car back in the 90's which was already 10 years old had) is they are penny pinching on the interior.
You are right it was a sweeping generalization based on my interpretation of a number of posts, comments about cancellation reasons, and general TMC "vibe".
Maybe you are right and I am wrong.
What is not wrong is here the sporty versions (the Cayenne Turbos, the RR v8 Supercharged, the X5M, GL AMG's) are wildly outsold by far less performance orientated machines. This is after all the EU outlook forum.
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To show how important weight is Tesla saved ~700 lbs going aluminum then added 200 lbs with a glass roof.