EU Market Situation and Outlook

[Krugerrand]

There isn't really room for anything else to have happened. Or can you come up with another scenario?

I can come up with several possibilities, but that wasn't ever the point and you know it. Had you refrained from the accusation of Tesla being half-assed and deliberately ignoring a market, as if you knew something that you clearly do not, the conversation would have gone entirely differently.

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Since you know that you are right and that this is a piece of cake, taking my money is a no-brainer for you, correct?

I'm not motivated by money, nor do I wish to stoop to the particular level you've just embraced.

 

[Johan]

Certainly. The naive believe that all problems are solved is sad, but arguing against it only results in flame wars...

No kidding. Thanks for your post

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Facts can often get in the way of the "true believer", which is why this species is able to simple argue facts away by sheer will power

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Hey, I offer you a nice easy bet.

Any day before December 31st, 2017, the Model 3 ships to customers, I owe you 2 dollars. So let's say they ship December 1st, 2017, you get 60 dollars from me.
Any day after December 31st, 2017, the Model 3 ships to customers, you own me 1 dollar. So let's say they ship January 1st, 2020, you owe me 730 dollars.

Since you know that you are right and that this is a piece of cake, taking my money is a no-brainer for you, correct?

That's a fun bet and I'd like to take it, if you're willing. But for decency let's cap losses at either end to $1000.

 

[daniel Ox9EFD]

It is a grievous mistake to think that. There were several reasons for Model X delays, least of all were the engineering feats that had to be attained. Once it became apparent the Model S was going to be wildly more successful than ever imagined, there was no rush for Model X to get to market to do what it was originally intended to, which was to generate money to advance the company. Model S has done that all on its own (SuperCharger Network, expansion of stores/SCs anyone?) and by doing so more time could be spent solving and perfecting further features (like AWD, autopilot), get them into the Model S for some real world testing and have them ready to rock and roll for the Model X, which will make it an even better vehicle than it was originally intended to be. Model X is going to blow the doors off anything and everything in its segment and surrounding segments. People will forget it was ever deliberately delayed.


Everything is done for the Model 3. Everything. No advancements needed. No engineering problems to solve or perfect. All done. It'll be a cakewalk compared to the S & X. It seemed the hardest decision for the Model 3 was just made recently, when it was officially announced by Elon that they'd go with a less wild design, saving that for the next iteration of Model 3.

But even more important and why there will be no delay, Model 3 is tied to the Gigafactory, and the Gigafactory is tied to partnerships with other companies. Model 3 will not be late like the Model X, because it can't be.

Where did you hear they are going with a 'less wild design' for model 3? I only see from interviews of Elon, even for this year the exact opposite.
This is good new for long term investors. Disappointing that even with all the press on Tesla such a detail gets missed.


Edit: Ok now I got it from the Q4 2014 call. It's reassuring that they wont take unnecessary risks.

 

[Right_Said_Fred]

To the UK market the Tesla looks quite boring (simply on appearance). I've got a p85d on order, I don't really care what people think of how my car looks. Most people I show it to are surprised it looks so plain/boring/generic saloon.

Plain and boring? I still have dozens of people stare at my car every single day, and I've owned it for 1.5 years already. It does help to take the 21 inch wheels and a nice colour (in my case Signature Red). The black, blue and grey ones stand out less. But white and red are real eyecatchers.

 

[smac]

Plain and boring? I still have dozens of people stare at my car every single day, and I've owned it for 1.5 years already. It does help to take the 21 inch wheels and a nice colour (in my case Signature Red). The black, blue and grey ones stand out less. But white and red are real eyecatchers.

I'd argue black is eye catching when it's newly polished and freshly waxed... but it's a constant battle to keep it looking that way

My 10 year old Elise still turns more heads, and has kids pointing you out to their parents as you drive down the road. I Guess it depends what you want in a car.

 

[aarontayto]

I love how it looks, I've spent £100k on pre-ordering one

It doesn't stand out though, not in the eye of the average UK person who compares it to a Ford Mondeo/Vauxhall Insignia.

Tastes, thankfully, vary wildly all over the world.

 

[smac]

It doesn't stand out though, not in the eye of the average UK person who compares it to a Ford Mondeo/Vauxhall Insignia.

Mine was compared to a Mazda once

 

[dirkhh]

I'm not motivated by money, nor do I wish to stoop to the particular level you've just embraced.

That's one possible response.

That's a fun bet and I'd like to take it, if you're willing. But for decency let's cap losses at either end to $1000.

That's another. You're on, Johan.

 

[smac]

That's another. You're on, Johan.

I'd like in on this action! Who's keeping "book"?

I too am a cynical about seeing a customer car in '17. I can afford to go to $1k so if we have any other believers


P.S. @Krugerrand, the irony of your username and lack of interest in money isn't lost on me.. Love it!

 

[Johan]

That's another. You're on, Johan.

I'm bookmarking this page, you should too! ("Keeping the books" and all that) And so let's hope TMC is intact in 2018!

 

[Auzie]

Certainly. The naive believe that all problems are solved is sad, but arguing against it only results in flame wars...

Facts can often get in the way of the "true believer", which is why this species is able to simple argue facts away by sheer will power

Hey, I offer you a nice easy bet.

Any day before December 31st, 2017, the Model 3 ships to customers, I owe you 2 dollars. So let's say they ship December 1st, 2017, you get 60 dollars from me.
Any day after December 31st, 2017, the Model 3 ships to customers, you own me 1 dollar. So let's say they ship January 1st, 2020, you owe me 730 dollars.

Since you know that you are right and that this is a piece of cake, taking my money is a no-brainer for you, correct?

That's a fun bet and I'd like to take it, if you're willing. But for decency let's cap losses at either end to $1000.

I am so divided on this issue. My reasoning aligns with dirkhh, but I am cheering for Johan to win (sorry dirkhh).

Maybe because Johan is the underdog in this bet (figuratively of course)

 

[Matias]

Mine was compared to a Mazda once

Tesla's designer came from Matzda. I think Matzda 6 and Model S are very much alike.

 

[Yggdrasill]

http://www.thestreet.com/story/1308...de-down-for-tesla.html?puc=yahoo&cm_ven=YAHOO

first half of March in Norway, 316 sold.

I think the article is wrong in stating that it is important to beat the delivery number from March 2014. I think delivering 500-1000 Model S in Norway in March would be an excellent result. Of course, higher is better, but the record from 2014 is the highest number of delivered cars for any car model in several decades. To expect that Tesla will beat that again any time soon is very optimistic.

The number registered stood at 371 yesterday, and with 7 out of 22 working days remaining in March, the final number should end up somewhere around 544. That should make it the second most popular car in Norway in March. (After the VW Golf.)

 

[Gerardf]

Paris might become be an intresting market :

BBC News - Paris imposes car restrictions to fight pollution

"The city saw a severe spike in smog on Wednesday last week and briefly had the world's dirtiest air, AP news agency reported quoting Plume Labs, a monitoring company.

The mayor's office announced at the weekend that alternating number plate measures would be implemented on Monday, with exceptions for electric or hybrid vehicles as well as emergency vehicles"

City-based SuperChargers in Paris soon, following London's example ?
(I must however admit that The Model-S is 'rather big' for the narrow Paris streets).


On European sales :
On the Dutch speaking Benelux part of the forum I have seen a few mentions in the past weeks of the Tilburg site having a 'neck-breaking' number of P85D's being prepared for delivery. I have not been there myself, seen no pictures, so no proof. However the March Europe numbers might very well see a pretty good number of P85D deliveries.

 

[ScepticMatt]

Mine was compared to a Mazda once

About that...

Franz von Holzhausen (born May 10, 1968 in Simsbury, Connecticut) is an automobile designer, currently in charge of design at Tesla Motors after resigning his position at Mazda North American Operations on July 31, 2008.[1] He designed the Tesla Model S, an electric premium sedan starting in 2008.[2]

 

[maoing]

https://twitter.com/TeslaAgnostic/status/579959695328305152

371 sold through the 3rd week of March in Norway.

@ Jan. 71 sold Norway
@ Feb. 321 sold in Norway

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Total sold in Q1 so far: 763

For YoY comparison: 2014 Q1 sold 2056
For QoQ comparison: 2014 Q4 sold 505

http://www.thestreet.com/story/1308...de-down-for-tesla.html?puc=yahoo&cm_ven=YAHOO

first half of March in Norway, 316 sold.

 

[Just a Reader]

Tesla and Uber join forces in Germany for Test Drives.
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I wonder why Tesla wants to be associated with that brand. As far as I can see Uber isn't perceived positively at all in Germany.

 

[Yggdrasill]

371 sold through the 3rd week of March in Norway.

There are some rumors floating around that there are a couple of ships inbound towards the end of the week with possibly as many as 800 Model S. So, I wouldn't actually rule out breaking 1000 Model S by the end of March, just yet. We'll see.

 

[Yggdrasill]

As of a few hours ago, the number of Model S registered in March in Norway stood at 559. There was over 150 registrations yesterday!

Seems like some of those shipments have arrived.

 

[Auzie]

Go electric Norway!