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Why write this post?
A lot of people are starting to get interested in IO. I don't think Octopus do a very good job of spelling out the benefits in their website. They have some FAQs, but the same questions keep coming up over and over on the forums.

What is it?
In a nutshell, IO is a split tariff that gives you a cheap off-peak rate for charging your EV and other electrical items in the household, including home batteries.

Isn’t that the same as Octopus Go or Go Faster?
The principle is the same, but in exchange for some benefits which we’ll explain, you allow Octopus to control the timing of your EV charge, so they can choose low carbon intensity and/or cheap wholesale priced time slots.

So I’m not in control of my charge? I don’t like the sound of that!
Well yes…and no. You’re in control of how much to charge and when you want the car to be ready, just like you would be normally. Within those parameters, you’re allowing Octopus to control which half-hour slots the car chooses to get to that target % charge. And you can always override IO if you want to “bump charge” through the day.

OK, but what are the benefits you mentioned for this trade off?
First of all, you get a larger guaranteed off-peak window for using household appliances and charging home batteries, etc. It’s six hours between 23:30-05:30. Go, for example, is a fixed 4 hour window.
In addition, when IO schedules your EV charging slots it sometimes creates schedules that fall outside of the fixed, six hour window. If that happens your EV charging and all your household use in these extra-slots is also charged at off-peak rates.
I have frequently had schedules give me seven or more hours of off-peak rates. On one occasion, I had a total of ten hours of off-peak rates.

Am I eligible?
You need a smart meter and a compatible car and/or charger. Since you’re reading this here, I assume you’ve got or are thinking of getting a Tesla. IO works with the Tesla API to create the charging schedules. The advantage of this is that IO will work with any* home charger. If you have a charger with smart features, you need to disable them so that the charger acts as a dumb switch. IO will control everything via Tesla’s API to start and stop your charging.
*Even your granny charger - but you need to tell IO what the max throughput is when you go through setup so that it can work out your schedules properly.

Some of this sounds too good to be true.
Phantom drain caused by having smart charging enabled in the Octopus app has been fixed as of 30th August 2022. One small side effect appears to be that schedules sometimes take longer to appear in the app after plugging in.

Further questions (to be updated in the main thread body once the edit timer on this post expires)

I have two EVs, can I charge the other while on IO?

Not with IO scheduling the charging, but you can charge any other car in the fixed 23:30-05:30 off peak window or at any other time at peak prices.

What are the rates etc?
Octopus do a decent job of explaining the peak and off-peak rates along with contracts etc. Head over to their pages to discover that.

I asked for a target % of x, but I got less than x.
There are two or three reasons for this.

The first, most common reason, is that Tesla reports battery % differently depending on where you look. The API (that IO uses) reports the gross battery %. This is generally fixed but can fluctuate very slightly. The Tesla app shows usable %. Apps like Teslamate and Teslafi can display both. Quite often, there is a delta of 2-3% which may be down to battery temp or other factors. This usable % will often be recovered as the battery warms up during a drive.

Some users have reported charging % being way off, perhaps 10% or more. This could be down to an error in the onboarding process. Some of the charger database entries incorrectly assume the charger you are onboarding is the 11kW version, without actually saying so in the charger description. The Andersen A2 was an early example of this. If you suspect this may be the case, the easiest thing to do is go through the on-boarding again and choose "Generic 7.4kW charger". It won't affect your functionality on IO in any way.

Lastly, it has to be mentioned that occasionally IO just craps out. It may be down to a comms error, a server error at Octopus' end, or just reasons. IO is a beta product and it's wise to expect one or two quirks from time to time
 
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Question about 2EV’s on IO.

I’m currently on ‘Go’ with my Hyundai Ioniq 28kwh that doesn’t qualify for IO but I’m getting a Tesla Y next week as well as keeping the Ioniq.
Can someone just confirm my understanding of IO?
Register the Tesla to IO and that will smart charge the Tesla when plugged in from my current charger if I put the charger (Rolec) into ‘dumb’ mode.

When I need the Ioniq charged, keep the Rolec charger in ‘dumb’ mode and use the in car timers to charge between 23:30 and 05:30.

Just checking that’s correct.

Thanks.
 
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Question about 2EV’s on IO.

I’m currently on ‘Go’ with my Hyundai Ioniq 28kwh that doesn’t qualify for IO but I’m getting a Tesla Y next week as well as keeping the Ioniq.
Can someone just confirm my understanding of IO?
Register the Tesla to IO and that will smart charge the Tesla when plugged in from my current charger if I put the charger (Rolec) into ‘dumb’ mode.

When I need the Ioniq charged, keep the Rolec charger in ‘dumb’ mode and use the in car timers to charge between 23:30 and 05:30.

Just checking that’s correct.

Thanks.
Correct!
 
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Question about 2EV’s on IO.

I’m currently on ‘Go’ with my Hyundai Ioniq 28kwh that doesn’t qualify for IO but I’m getting a Tesla Y next week as well as keeping the Ioniq.
Can someone just confirm my understanding of IO?
Register the Tesla to IO and that will smart charge the Tesla when plugged in from my current charger if I put the charger (Rolec) into ‘dumb’ mode.

When I need the Ioniq charged, keep the Rolec charger in ‘dumb’ mode and use the in car timers to charge between 23:30 and 05:30.

Just checking that’s correct.

Thanks.
Once you register your Tesla with IO you’ll see quite clearly on the Octopus App there is a simple enable/ disable smart charging button.

Enable it, let it schedule a smart charge window and let IO do its thing and charge the Y and then turn it off in the app after.

Some will say you don’t even need to disable smart charging as it’s car related if you plug in the Ioniq then IO has no visibility and your charger will work exactly as before. I think that’s correct? I turn it off for our second EV just to be sure.

Then you can charge the Ioniq during the 6h off peak windows exactly as you did during Go (with the extra couple of hours IO vs. Go, you’ll brim the Ioniq well before the end of off peak)👍
 
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Here is an update, hope it helps as yesterday was my last day on GO and today is my first day on IO.

Last night was a bit trial and error. But in the early evening as I knew I had enough battery left to last until 00:30, I tried to switch to IO on the App and do a test charge. I filled in I had my Tesla and the Tesla charger, and the App said I was ready to do a test charge.

But then, I realised, I needed to use the Zappi for grid limiting to save my 100A fuse, so connected that up instead in FAST mode. and the test charge took less than 5 minutes and all was confirmed.

My Tesla was already at 80% as 5p/kWh is 1/2 10p/kWh, so I set a scheduled charge by 04:30 (better safe than sorry) and set the car to charge from 00:30 in the car.

The car charged from 00:30, but IO should not have done that, and it gave a small top up at 03:30 to 04:00 as I stated needed finished by 04:30 in the Octopus App.

I saw on my App that I was not on IO, but the variable tariff, so a DM to Octopus on Twitter at 07:24 got this response from Octopus. What a fabulous company.

Hi, Thanks for getting in touch! Having had a look at your account I can confirm that you went from Go to Intelligent. Flexible was applied just before your Intelligent was, but this small period was removed and replaced with the Intelligent tariff for you. Kind regards, Emma P
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Community Management Specialist
 
Here is an update, hope it helps as yesterday was my last day on GO and today is my first day on IO.

Last night was a bit trial and error. But in the early evening as I knew I had enough battery left to last until 00:30, I tried to switch to IO on the App and do a test charge. I filled in I had my Tesla and the Tesla charger, and the App said I was ready to do a test charge.

But then, I realised, I needed to use the Zappi for grid limiting to save my 100A fuse, so connected that up instead in FAST mode. and the test charge took less than 5 minutes and all was confirmed.

My Tesla was already at 80% as 5p/kWh is 1/2 10p/kWh, so I set a scheduled charge by 04:30 (better safe than sorry) and set the car to charge from 00:30 in the car.

The car charged from 00:30, but IO should not have done that, and it gave a small top up at 03:30 to 04:00 as I stated needed finished by 04:30 in the Octopus App.

I saw on my App that I was not on IO, but the variable tariff, so a DM to Octopus on Twitter at 07:24 got this response from Octopus. What a fabulous company.

Hi, Thanks for getting in touch! Having had a look at your account I can confirm that you went from Go to Intelligent. Flexible was applied just before your Intelligent was, but this small period was removed and replaced with the Intelligent tariff for you. Kind regards, Emma P
🐙

Community Management Specialist
Ah that confirms that you do in fact have a bridging period in flexible if the system considers there to be a gap in the transfer timing. Ye good response from Octopus though.
 
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Once you register your Tesla with IO you’ll see quite clearly on the Octopus App there is a simple enable/ disable smart charging button.

Enable it, let it schedule a smart charge window and let IO do its thing and charge the Y and then turn it off in the app after.

Some will say you don’t even need to disable smart charging as it’s car related if you plug in the Ioniq then IO has no visibility and your charger will work exactly as before. I think that’s correct? I turn it off for our second EV just to be sure.

Then you can charge the Ioniq during the 6h off peak windows exactly as you did during Go (with the extra couple of hours IO vs. Go, you’ll brim the Ioniq well before the end of off peak)👍
If using IO integration via the car rather than the charger, when charging a second car having “Smart Charge” enabled or disabled in the Octopus app will make not a jot of difference. IO can only control the Tesla, so it won’t have any effect on a second EV charging.
When charging a second EV, either use the timers in the charger or the EV itself to charge between 2330-0530. Everything to do with IO can be ignored.
 
Once you register your Tesla with IO you’ll see quite clearly on the Octopus App there is a simple enable/ disable smart charging button.

Enable it, let it schedule a smart charge window and let IO do its thing and charge the Y and then turn it off in the app after.

Some will say you don’t even need to disable smart charging as it’s car related if you plug in the Ioniq then IO has no visibility and your charger will work exactly as before. I think that’s correct? I turn it off for our second EV just to be sure.

Then you can charge the Ioniq during the 6h off peak windows exactly as you did during Go (with the extra couple of hours IO vs. Go, you’ll brim the Ioniq well before the end of off peak)👍
I see no option to temporarily remove smart charging. Can you screenshot please. Here’s mine. I’ll be chsrging off free solar today


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No, actually that would not. Octopus will still be able to charge your car before 23:30 if they were to give you an off-peak slot before that time. That is the main benefit. Setting a schedule only prevents the car from dumbly charging before Octopus is able to create a schedule, so it's exactly what you need in your case.
Interesting, last night we didn't even get a schedule until 11:30 when presumably the Tesla switched on, IO noticed it, create a schedule and the car started charging. Perhaps it depends when you plug in? We plugged in well before 17:00 yesterday, so might have missed the window for IO to set the schedule initially. I will try plugging in after 17:00 and see if that initial connection is sufficient to trigger a IO charge schedule.
 
Perhaps it depends when you plug in?
It's more about the length of time after plugging in after a drive. If you do it straight away, you'll generally get a schedule promptly as the car and tesla api are polling. If the car's been sat on the drive sleeping, then IO is using the streaming api's cached data and a schedule is often very delayed.
 
Got this one today: 5A rate + IO set to 100%, and the car is on 90%. Kind of an expected message I think, but just something new:

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Anyone else?
I plugged my car in just now and had IO at 100% and Tesla at 50%, with the car at 55% because I didnt want it to charge straight away , and it gave me a schedule starting immediately until 8am.
I had forgotten I had the octopus app at 100% and ready by time at 8am …..oops
 
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I still find it crazy that people are getting these massive charge windows, and I can't even get one that'll charge to 100% from anything less than 50% :D

I'd imagine in future Octopus are going to limit this to 7kwh chargers only as giving all day cheap windows for 3 pin plug chargers seems excessive
 
They don't do all day charging, even if the window is, their own T&Cs confirm off-peak scheduled charging for at most 6 hours per 24 - with more potentially charged at peak rate at their discretion. Those on 3-pin will certainly be familiar with charging suddenly stopping early evening too.

i.e. 5d. “Intelligent Octopus is subject to a fair use policy with a maximum of six hours of managed charging per 24 hours - which is enough for most electric vehicles to reach a full charge. Usage in excess of these six hours per day may be charged at the day rate.”
 
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They don't do all day charging, even if the window is, their own T&Cs confirm off-peak scheduled charging for at most 6 hours per 24.
That’s not right.

I’ve had far longer than 6 hours after a long drive where I arrived home with only 10%. I had a total of 7 hours worth of charging to get back up to 80%.

You get a minimum of 6 hours off-peak per day, plus any other charging periods scheduled outside of the standard 2330-0530 window.
 
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