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Wiki Everything you wanted to know about Intelligent Octopus But Were Afraid To Ask

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Why write this post?
A lot of people are starting to get interested in IO. I don't think Octopus do a very good job of spelling out the benefits in their website. They have some FAQs, but the same questions keep coming up over and over on the forums.

What is it?
In a nutshell, IO is a split tariff that gives you a cheap off-peak rate for charging your EV and other electrical items in the household, including home batteries.

Isn’t that the same as Octopus Go or Go Faster?
The principle is the same, but in exchange for some benefits which we’ll explain, you allow Octopus to control the timing of your EV charge, so they can choose low carbon intensity and/or cheap wholesale priced time slots.

So I’m not in control of my charge? I don’t like the sound of that!
Well yes…and no. You’re in control of how much to charge and when you want the car to be ready, just like you would be normally. Within those parameters, you’re allowing Octopus to control which half-hour slots the car chooses to get to that target % charge. And you can always override IO if you want to “bump charge” through the day.

OK, but what are the benefits you mentioned for this trade off?
First of all, you get a larger guaranteed off-peak window for using household appliances and charging home batteries, etc. It’s six hours between 23:30-05:30. Go, for example, is a fixed 4 hour window.
In addition, when IO schedules your EV charging slots it sometimes creates schedules that fall outside of the fixed, six hour window. If that happens your EV charging and all your household use in these extra-slots is also charged at off-peak rates.
I have frequently had schedules give me seven or more hours of off-peak rates. On one occasion, I had a total of ten hours of off-peak rates.

Am I eligible?
You need a smart meter and a compatible car and/or charger. Since you’re reading this here, I assume you’ve got or are thinking of getting a Tesla. IO works with the Tesla API to create the charging schedules. The advantage of this is that IO will work with any* home charger. If you have a charger with smart features, you need to disable them so that the charger acts as a dumb switch. IO will control everything via Tesla’s API to start and stop your charging.
*Even your granny charger - but you need to tell IO what the max throughput is when you go through setup so that it can work out your schedules properly.

Some of this sounds too good to be true.
Phantom drain caused by having smart charging enabled in the Octopus app has been fixed as of 30th August 2022. One small side effect appears to be that schedules sometimes take longer to appear in the app after plugging in.

Further questions (to be updated in the main thread body once the edit timer on this post expires)

I have two EVs, can I charge the other while on IO?

Not with IO scheduling the charging, but you can charge any other car in the fixed 23:30-05:30 off peak window or at any other time at peak prices.

What are the rates etc?
Octopus do a decent job of explaining the peak and off-peak rates along with contracts etc. Head over to their pages to discover that.

I asked for a target % of x, but I got less than x.
There are two or three reasons for this.

The first, most common reason, is that Tesla reports battery % differently depending on where you look. The API (that IO uses) reports the gross battery %. This is generally fixed but can fluctuate very slightly. The Tesla app shows usable %. Apps like Teslamate and Teslafi can display both. Quite often, there is a delta of 2-3% which may be down to battery temp or other factors. This usable % will often be recovered as the battery warms up during a drive.

Some users have reported charging % being way off, perhaps 10% or more. This could be down to an error in the onboarding process. Some of the charger database entries incorrectly assume the charger you are onboarding is the 11kW version, without actually saying so in the charger description. The Andersen A2 was an early example of this. If you suspect this may be the case, the easiest thing to do is go through the on-boarding again and choose "Generic 7.4kW charger". It won't affect your functionality on IO in any way.

Lastly, it has to be mentioned that occasionally IO just craps out. It may be down to a comms error, a server error at Octopus' end, or just reasons. IO is a beta product and it's wise to expect one or two quirks from time to time
 
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I was charging through LTE as my WiFi signal won't reach to where I have to park the car. I wonder if a poor LTE signal is causing the issue. I've managed to move around WiFI boosters to get a signal to the car (will look into getting something better) and I immediately was scheduled a charge in The Octopus app ('charging equipment not ready' still showing' though).
If the car is saying 'Charging equipment not ready' then I would say that it is definitely a setting in the Easee. I have just been and checked mine, and as soon as I turn on a schedule, or change the access away from Open to any other setting then the car gives the equipment not ready message.

Your Easee settings need to look like the below. Note that 'Access' needs to be turned on, otherwise the charger is completely blocked.
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If the car is saying 'Charging equipment not ready' then I would say that it is definitely a setting in the Easee. I have just been and checked mine, and as soon as I turn on a schedule, or change the access away from Open to any other setting then the car gives the equipment not ready message.

Your Easee settings need to look like the below. Note that 'Access' needs to be turned on, otherwise the charger is completely blocked.
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My settings are the same as yours. The only difference is that mine is set to cellular (I got the Easee primarily for the lifetime free cellular) which I can't imagine makes any difference as the cellular connectivity is working just fine. And I get the 'charging equipment not ready' continually (except when actually charging).
 
What happens if you disable smart charge in the Octopus app (under settings, devices) and plug the car into the charger? Does the car charge?
I believe so, as long as no schedules exist on the car/charger that IO has created it should just revert to "dumb". I think there is a criteria for having to use Smart Charge active though, it's either X amount of charges or days or something, else they revert you back to go.
 
I believe so, as long as no schedules exist on the car/charger that IO has created it should just revert to "dumb". I think there is a criteria for having to use Smart Charge active though, it's either X amount of charges or days or something, else they revert you back to go.
I’m trying to troubleshoot grumpybugger’s charging issues.

However, in relation to your uncertainty, Intelligent Octopus’s requirements are that a device has to be active on the account. You can actually have smart charge disabled for an extended period of time with no negative consequences. I had it disabled for 5 months whilst I was out of the country with no issues.
 
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I’m trying to troubleshoot grumpybugger’s charging issues.

However, in relation to your uncertainty, Intelligent Octopus’s requirements are that a device has to be active on the account. You can actually have smart charge disabled for an extended period of time with no negative consequences. I had it disabled for 5 months whilst I was out of the country with no issues.
Apologies, managed to miss the former messages - "more haste, less speed" as the saying goes.

Thanks for confirming regarding turning of Smart Charging, I was just going based off of what an Octopus Customer Service Rep told me back along. Possible they've changed their stance since though.
 
Try logging into your Tesla Account to Manage Third Party security then remove the Octopus Energy grant there. Also try changing Tesla account credential password. Disconnect device from Octopus app. Add Virtual Key using Chrome as default browser through Octopus app during sign-up. If that doesn't work, skip it, then try a Test Connection. If charging doesn't start in your Tesla app within the first minute, start it yourself.
Thanks that all worked - had to fudge the virtual key saying it had been added as it is a lease car so could not add that.

Now I see it is all good. Has not shown a charging schedule and did not charge over night - have this morning tested a bump charge to see if it is communicating and it is and it stopped it when I stopped the bump but no idea why no schedule or start overnight? Any ideas
 
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I've noticed some latency recently on the Tesla API itself as to where the car is located. So sometimes I open the Tesla App, select Location then wait a bit for it to geocode to the true location it is now before scheduling for IOG. Do make sure car target SoC is higher than IOG target and that any scheduled charging or charge-by time setting in the car or third-party apps are disabled too.
 
anyone else getting daily emails from Octopus saying they've lost control of my device and to reconnect? I think it's caused by the Tesla API change, but I'm not integrated with the Tesla API, I'm using the Zappi integration.
It might be because it uses a similar process to onboard (with the login details from your myenergy account)... I dont know why they didn't make use of the OCPP functionality 🤷‍♂️
 
It might be because it uses a similar process to onboard (with the login details from your myenergy account)... I dont know why they didn't make use of the OCPP functionality 🤷‍♂️

Could be, but oddly every day I've got that email, it's worked, car has charged and no issues. Also when I do as per the email, there is no "reconnect device", instead the option is disconnect device, suggesting it's already connected.
 
Could be, but oddly every day I've got that email, it's worked, car has charged and no issues. Also when I do as per the email, there is no "reconnect device", instead the option is disconnect device, suggesting it's already connected.
I would say if it's not broken dont fix it until it does. A preventative measure of removing and then adding a device has proven to be a bit of a head scratcher from past readings...
 
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I've noticed some latency recently on the Tesla API itself as to where the car is located. So sometimes I open the Tesla App, select Location then wait a bit for it to geocode to the true location it is now before scheduling for IOG. Do make sure car target SoC is higher than IOG target and that any scheduled charging or charge-by time setting in the car or third-party apps are disabled too.
That worked - kind of - I got a pop up notification on iPhone with a schedule in it (could only see part of it), the octopus app however still not showing the schedule. Been lots of octopus app releases recently - think they have test issues and release quality issues. will stay up to see if it starts charging!
 
That worked - kind of - I got a pop up notification on iPhone with a schedule in it (could only see part of it), the octopus app however still not showing the schedule. Been lots of octopus app releases recently - think they have test issues and release quality issues. will stay up to see if it starts charging!
now appearing in app - only one stage of charge whereas the iPhone notification had multiple charge times - anyway I am less worried by that - fingers crossed it charges tonight......