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Female engineer sues Tesla, describing a culture of 'pervasive harassment
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Super_Popular
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When offending posts are moved, there is often collateral damage based on responses within the conversation. Your post would have had no context in this thread without the other post.
Gotcha.
When the Model 3 comes out and the crowd gets younger the mods on this site are going to be constantly breaking up fights. The snippinrss thread is going to be epic.
LOL when I started out here the Roadster was the only car. Things have already changed massively!
CmdrThor
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CmdrThor
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Her current position is a Line Engineer in transmission maintenance and therefore doesn't require the PE license. If she were to move to construction for example then yes the PE may be required to sign off on documents.
Update on the female engineer who alleged harassment at Fremont. Tesla fired her.
Tesla fires female engineer who alleged sexual harassment
“Despite repeatedly receiving special treatment at the expense of others, Ms Vandermeyden nonetheless chose to pursue a miscarriage of justice by suing Tesla and falsely attacking our company in the press,” a Tesla spokesperson said. “After we carefully considered the facts on multiple occasions and were absolutely convinced that Ms Vandermeyden’s claims were illegitimate, we had no choice but to end her employment at Tesla.”
Tesla fires female engineer who alleged sexual harassment
“Despite repeatedly receiving special treatment at the expense of others, Ms Vandermeyden nonetheless chose to pursue a miscarriage of justice by suing Tesla and falsely attacking our company in the press,” a Tesla spokesperson said. “After we carefully considered the facts on multiple occasions and were absolutely convinced that Ms Vandermeyden’s claims were illegitimate, we had no choice but to end her employment at Tesla.”
Yea, firing her wasn't a great move. Best to let the process play out and then terminate after. Clearly the timing elicits retaliation claims, especially because temporally the adverse employment action happened after the claims of discrimination and work place malfeasance happened. Also, Tesla promoted her and touted that as non-discriminatory intent and so that backfired even more. Tesla really should hire the HR manager I know because she received many awards helping Abbott Labs in the 1990s and other companies in the 2000s. Abbott Labs was like the #1 manufacturing company back then and Tesla really needs to think and act like a big company and not like a start up. That start up mentality is great at the beginning but limits growth as a company matures.
Maybe her firing is intended to send a message to other disgruntled workers in Fremont, 'this is what happens if you speak out.'
I almost fell off my chair when I read the quote from the Tesla spokesperson “Despite repeatedly receiving special treatment at the expense of others,.." Admitting "special treatment at the expense of others" sounds like an odd defense.
I almost fell off my chair when I read the quote from the Tesla spokesperson “Despite repeatedly receiving special treatment at the expense of others,.." Admitting "special treatment at the expense of others" sounds like an odd defense.
Bet TSLA
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Whenever you promote somebody it is in some sense "at the expense of others".
Yet "special treatment at the expense of others" is something entirely different than a standard merit based promotion.
And what to make of Tesla's statement that filing a claim about harassment is pursuing "a miscarriage of justice by suing Tesla".
That's another very odd statement for Tesla to make.
FlatSix911
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I wish the media would stop claiming that Ms Vandermeyden was an Engineer ... no degree
She was clearly not qualified as an Engineer and relied on social promotion for advancement.
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Is suing your employer not an appropriate grounds for termination? It seems like suing your employer is hostile move, so why would the employer want to continue that working relationship?
It depends what the suit is about, if the suit is about a "protected activity" firing an employee could be considered a retaliatory move, which according to the article is what the attorney is alleging in this case.
This one is tricky.
I can certainly sympathize with Tesla if/when they felt the employee was completely in the wrong. Dismissing her seems understandable in that sense. Frankly, I sympathize even Trump firing Comey if we believe he thought he was simply in the wrong too much and not an ulterior motive (and a lot of people on all sides certainly thought Comey was a disaster).
But be that as it may - just like Trump firing Comey on the bigger stage - Tesla firing Vandermeyden simply looks all wrong. The optics are terrible when it seems like you are retaliating at someone shining unfavorable legal light on you... and what's worse have a serious chance at backfiring down the road.
Sometimes it pays just to work through certain unpleasant things and let the process solve them, even if you feel you are being wronged. This act seems premature and risky. Not to mention the chance that this leaves open the other interpretation: that Tesla is not being wronged, but is the one doing Vandermeyden wrong instead...
Then again, with the mess Tesla has been recently, this one certainly fits. It no longer surprises, that's for sure. Hubris? Or just a terrible corporate culture?
I can certainly sympathize with Tesla if/when they felt the employee was completely in the wrong. Dismissing her seems understandable in that sense. Frankly, I sympathize even Trump firing Comey if we believe he thought he was simply in the wrong too much and not an ulterior motive (and a lot of people on all sides certainly thought Comey was a disaster).
But be that as it may - just like Trump firing Comey on the bigger stage - Tesla firing Vandermeyden simply looks all wrong. The optics are terrible when it seems like you are retaliating at someone shining unfavorable legal light on you... and what's worse have a serious chance at backfiring down the road.
Sometimes it pays just to work through certain unpleasant things and let the process solve them, even if you feel you are being wronged. This act seems premature and risky. Not to mention the chance that this leaves open the other interpretation: that Tesla is not being wronged, but is the one doing Vandermeyden wrong instead...
Then again, with the mess Tesla has been recently, this one certainly fits. It no longer surprises, that's for sure. Hubris? Or just a terrible corporate culture?
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It is not meant as an analogy. It is my opinion.
i am just stating the optics are bad in both cases, even though I personally could see scenarios where I would sympathize both for firing. But he optics would be bad in any case, no matter the reason for the firing.
Clprenz
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She strikes back again! New claims emerge amidst the company holding a crowded meeting with factory workers and executives about the issue. What do you guys think? I've always thought Tesla has a better workplace than other tech companies, but these reports say otherwise??
Report: Women discuss discrimination, harassment and "predator zone" at Tesla
TLDR: Tesla says that the claims from that specific woman are false, and the company has and is taking steps to address the issue.
Report: Women discuss discrimination, harassment and "predator zone" at Tesla
TLDR: Tesla says that the claims from that specific woman are false, and the company has and is taking steps to address the issue.
Tam
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When there is a group of people, there might be issues and conflicts so that is not news.
It is not the problems but how problems are handled is an important issue.
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