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Are they still planning on starting production in Delaware factory? If yes, when realistically that could happen...
Pipe dream. You can choose to smoke that stuff but running on their broken record it's not very likely... LOL
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Yep. it's completely joke.
You mean nobody wants and overweight, underperforming, overpriced, hack job of a car that likes to spontaneously combust, founded by a looney who came out of Tesla thinking he could do it himself?
I don't get it!
When Fishkar starts rapidly going down hill, the fanboys are gonna wake up and realize that they've been had, drinking the koolaid from all their dope marketing.
I'm not sure why everyone is coming down on FiskerAtlantic so hard - or on Fisker. I would far rather see 100k Atlantics on the road displacing 100k ICE sedans. I'll even wave the flag a bit and say that I hope to see more Americans driving US-built cars; if the Big 3 won't build the quality that Americans want, let's have Fisker and Tesla displace them.
While it's true that execution on the Karma leaves a lot of questions, anyone looking dispassionately at the execution of the Tesla Roadster would also have a lot of questions about whether Tesla can pull off a mainstream success. While I certainly wouldn't bet on Fisker's success, I will still cheer them on.
While it's true that execution on the Karma leaves a lot of questions, anyone looking dispassionately at the execution of the Tesla Roadster would also have a lot of questions about whether Tesla can pull off a mainstream success. While I certainly wouldn't bet on Fisker's success, I will still cheer them on.
+1 Robert.
Although I will say I understand the friction.
What Fisker did with Tesla is low class and created a lot of bad blood.
In addition, the Karma is all flash. It is an absolutely georgeous car. It just prioritized styling to the point of hindering efficiency and engineering.
Although I will say I understand the friction.
What Fisker did with Tesla is low class and created a lot of bad blood.
In addition, the Karma is all flash. It is an absolutely georgeous car. It just prioritized styling to the point of hindering efficiency and engineering.
bonnie
I play a nice person on twitter.
I think it was the inflated tone, not necessarily the car.
It sure did... Don't worry Karma's a bitch... it'll come back and bite them *wink*
jordanthompson
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Were they talking about the Panamera? :tongue:
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Maybe I'm missing something - The Fisker salesman told me that had 750 cars on the road at the Plug In Day in Sarasota.
4Sevens.com - My Fisker runs great. Makes my commute...enjoyable!
Fisker is looking better by the day. All your negative jibber jabber is just HS!
Fisker is looking better by the day. All your negative jibber jabber is just HS!
Ok guys, let's return this to a civil discussion where BOTH sides speak on experiences, fact and opinions, but calm down on the overt bashing and hyperbole.
Whatever man. Multiple issues with Karma's blowing up is no fairly tale. You can call it HS but it's the truth.
I have driven many cars from Ariel Atom's to Lambos and having driven both the S and the Karma I can objectively tell you from first hand experience that the Karma is indeed HS.
"It's looking better" you said? Thats because they're doing very badly.
I'm tell you the company is going down in flames... literally...
If the Atlantic's mpg is on par with the Karma's, it won't help much. The Karma's short range and need for ICE augmentation with performance means it does a poor job reducing actual gasoline consumption.
I too would like to see ICE's replaced at least by EVer cars (if not full EVs), but Fisker needs better efficiency for it to be meaningful.
I've test driven both. I've been following EV's since ac propulsion started. I'm a serial entrepreneur and know what I'm talking about when looking at business plans.
When the ICE engine in the Fiskar kicks in it sounds like something is seriously broken - at least they could have added more cabin isolation.
And the MPG is horrible with the gas engine running. I'll take three Volts over one Karma thank you very much.
DOE pulled out of the Fiskar loan... isn't that enough of a warning?
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Any hybrid that can use the ICE to generate electricity to charge a battery or use the electricity from the generator to power an electric motor operates as a series hybrid. A parallel hybrid is a hybrid where the ICE can ONLY provide mechanical propulsion (no electrical path for ICE propulsion).
Since the Prius can do both, it's considered a power-split or series-parallel hybrid.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_vehicle_drivetrain#Power-split_or_series-parallel_hybrid
The Fisker is purely a series hybrid because the ICE can never provide mechanical propulsion. The Volt's ICE can, so it's a series-parallel hybrid like the Prius.
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The ill-will is just misplaced. At least Mr Fisker is dedicated to responsible luxury, to a realistic paradigm at should compete nicely - someday - with pure EVs. Having over an hour and a half this morning to sit at a table with Henrik Fisker was...sublime. No other design master is CEO of his company (go ahead, correct me. Point stands). We discussed: the Vantage , DB8, BMW 7 series; many amazing cars and we discussed the Chrysler minivan, his childhood, the first Masarati he ever saw, Pixar, what it was like to be up at night drawing an Aston Martin, the moment he sketched the Karma for the first time, Tesla, pure EV cars, Steve Jobs, Boston, the coffee, the Aggressor, dual electric motors, Karma fires, The Atlantic, the shortcomings of Supercharge, REEV powertrains, and Henry Thoreau. Not a bad morning. And then I drove the car around Boston.
But I have three kids and it only seats four. That was a unexpected. Good breakfast though. Had an idea: turn the battery parallel to the road and place it on the bottom of the car, freeing up space for an opportunity console and a fifth passenger. Think it would ever catch on? :wink:
I wish nothing but the very best for Mr Fisker and the company. Making their own dent in the universe. And driving the Batmobile today was phenomenal. Hope to post pics sometime soon.
But I have three kids and it only seats four. That was a unexpected. Good breakfast though. Had an idea: turn the battery parallel to the road and place it on the bottom of the car, freeing up space for an opportunity console and a fifth passenger. Think it would ever catch on? :wink:
I wish nothing but the very best for Mr Fisker and the company. Making their own dent in the universe. And driving the Batmobile today was phenomenal. Hope to post pics sometime soon.
Guys keep it civil and stay on topic. We have other threads for direct Model S and Karma comparisons. We have other threads defining hybrids. And we have threads for EV versus PHEV/EVER whatever.
Posting empty platitudes about Fisker does not add to the conversation. Posting an image of a unrelated garage fire (due to a clothes dryer) is misleading and ruins your credibility.
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This image has nothing to do with the Texas Fisker garage fire seen below. It's either extremely careless or dishonest to use it.
http://images.google.com/search?tbs...9xqgDIyyBosPDYg&num=10&hl=en&bih=619&biw=1149
Posting empty platitudes about Fisker does not add to the conversation. Posting an image of a unrelated garage fire (due to a clothes dryer) is misleading and ruins your credibility.
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Whatever man. Multiple issues with Karma's blowing up is no fairly tale. You can call it HS but it's the truth.
I have driven many cars from Ariel Atom's to Lambos and having driven both the S and the Karma I can objectively tell you from first hand experience that the Karma is indeed HS.
"It's looking better" you said? Thats because they're doing very badly.
I'm tell you the company is going down in flames... literally...
This image has nothing to do with the Texas Fisker garage fire seen below. It's either extremely careless or dishonest to use it.
http://images.google.com/search?tbs...9xqgDIyyBosPDYg&num=10&hl=en&bih=619&biw=1149
Well I pulled the image from an article about the Karma's catching fire... here: Obama’s Electric Car Burning Down The House… Literally!
Looks like you are wrong as well... the picture turns out to be a stock photo that is used for various purposes.... not just dryer fires... to make a point
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Did you read the article? It isn't totally unrelated... a house DID indeed burn down because of a Fiskar Karma spontaneously combusting...
The picture illustrated it...
I quote the article ... Obama’s Electric Car Burning Down The House… Literally!
Another Electric Car From Obama-Funded Company Catches Fire
Move over Chevy Volt, it’s Fisker’s turn.
Last week, a fire badly damaged the home of a new Fisker Karma owner, and authorities are saying that the electric car was the source of the blaze.
According to Fort Bend County, Texas, chief fire investigator Robert Baker, the Fisker Karma started the fire that spread to the house.
“Yes, the Karma was the origin of the fire, but what exactly caused that we don’t know at this time,” he said. The car was a complete loss.
According to Baker, the driver arrived home in the Fisker, pulled into the garage, and less than three minutes later the car was in flames. It reportedly was not plugged in at the time of the fire and the Karma’s battery remains intact.
Right before the fire, the owner reported a smell of burning rubber.
“The car was brand-new,” said Baker. “He still had paper tags on it, so it was 60 days old at most.”
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Thanks for pulling the actual picture... it's doesn't look good either...
Honestly I would be royally pissed if that happened to me after spending 6 digits on a brand new car.
The picture illustrated it...
I quote the article ... Obama’s Electric Car Burning Down The House… Literally!
Another Electric Car From Obama-Funded Company Catches Fire
Move over Chevy Volt, it’s Fisker’s turn.
Last week, a fire badly damaged the home of a new Fisker Karma owner, and authorities are saying that the electric car was the source of the blaze.
According to Fort Bend County, Texas, chief fire investigator Robert Baker, the Fisker Karma started the fire that spread to the house.
“Yes, the Karma was the origin of the fire, but what exactly caused that we don’t know at this time,” he said. The car was a complete loss.
According to Baker, the driver arrived home in the Fisker, pulled into the garage, and less than three minutes later the car was in flames. It reportedly was not plugged in at the time of the fire and the Karma’s battery remains intact.
Right before the fire, the owner reported a smell of burning rubber.
“The car was brand-new,” said Baker. “He still had paper tags on it, so it was 60 days old at most.”
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Thanks for pulling the actual picture... it's doesn't look good either...
Honestly I would be royally pissed if that happened to me after spending 6 digits on a brand new car.
I wouldn't count freedumnation.com as a primary source just looking at the title of the article and the 'about us' section of their site. Also, running adds scaring people about fluoride isn't helpful although they might not be responsible for that.
Back on topic, I don't get the Fisker Karma personally but can see why some people like it. It's a beautiful car but that's about it in my mind. There's plenty of room for everyone though and if Fisker can make it in the market, the more power to them.
Back on topic, I don't get the Fisker Karma personally but can see why some people like it. It's a beautiful car but that's about it in my mind. There's plenty of room for everyone though and if Fisker can make it in the market, the more power to them.
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