For those owners unhappy with drop in maximum charged range

[lloyds]

[I just posted in this in the "Decreasing Rated Range" topic as well, but since I take this as official word from Tesla, I thought it was worth repeating. Mods, please don't slap me.]

Our car is in for our first annual service today. I asked my service manager about the decreasing rated range. He said our battery checked out just fine, but to restore the rated range, here are the EXACT steps we should follow. I walked through the steps with him on the phone twice to confirm. This is directly from my service manager at the Santa Monica service center:

1. Charge to 100%. Let charging cycle complete.
2. Unplug.
3. Let the car sit for 20-30 minutes, up to a few hours.
4. Drive the car down to 20% SOC. This doesn't have to be immediately, it can be over a few days of use.
5. Once 20% SOC is reached, let the car sit for at least 20-30 minutes.
6. Plug back in and charge to 90% (or 100% if you need the range).
7. Repeat every few months, unless you charge to 100% regularly otherwise.

That's it! Done and done.

Did he say how often we should do this? Once a month, every 2-3 mos, etc.?

 

[stopcrazypp]

There is documentation from Tesla for the roadster, but for the Model S, Tesla has just stuck with "plug the car in whenever it's not in use".

If you watch the Model S charging near the end, you can see the balancing occurring. With an unlocked car, the charge port goes from blinking to solid green, and after about 5-15 minutes the charge port goes dark. The instrument cluster stays on, and the voltmeter(on dash) also pulses during this time. After the balancing is complete the dash goes dark. The entire process takes about 30 minutes, which is the amount of time that Tesla also recommends the roadster be left plugged in after charge completion.

I'm well aware for the Roadster, as that is well documented (and owners have confirmed it being effective). I know it's undocumented for the Model S, so what I mean is simply an example of a Model S owner seeing balancing being effective while at 90% charge (best evidence would be the range numbers going up permanently after balancing).

Your description seems to match what is said here (an example of a successful balance with a measurable and permanent increase in indicated range), and I assume you mean that you only observe this happening at 90+% (cluster/dash does not stay on after charging and does not have voltmeter pulses below 90%).
http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/18915-Decreasing-rated-range/page6?p=386370#post386370

Any other owner able to confirm this occurring only at 90+% or having seen permanent higher range numbers after leaving the car plugged at 90%?

 

[Andrew]

Did he say how often we should do this? Once a month, every 2-3 mos, etc.?

Yep, see #7.

 

[darthvdr]

One thing I'm uncertain is if the battery goes off balance the range estimate is just that - an estimate. Does that mean that a P85+ with an off-balance pack will go just as far as the balanced pack?

 

[djp]

One thing I'm uncertain is if the battery goes off balance the range estimate is just that - an estimate. Does that mean that a P85+ with an off-balance pack will go just as far as the balanced pack?

No, charging stops when the highest brick reaches the target SOC. If the pack is imbalanced there will be some bricks that aren't at full capacity and could be topped up higher. An imbalanced pack will have less range than a balanced pack where all bricks are at the same SOC.

If the pack is balanced but the capacity estimate is off (which is also possible) then yes it will go the same distance as a pack with the right estimate. The estimate can be recalibrated by exercising the full range of the battery (charging to >90%, driving to <20% and charging back up again). This is different than balancing, but both can have the same effect of reducing the displayed range.

 

[deonb]

[I just posted in this in the "Decreasing Rated Range" topic as well, but since I take this as official word from Tesla, I thought it was worth repeating. Mods, please don't slap me.]

Our car is in for our first annual service today. I asked my service manager about the decreasing rated range. He said our battery checked out just fine, but to restore the rated range, here are the EXACT steps we should follow. I walked through the steps with him on the phone twice to confirm. This is directly from my service manager at the Santa Monica service center:

1. Charge to 100%. Let charging cycle complete.
2. Unplug.
3. Let the car sit for 20-30 minutes, up to a few hours.
4. Drive the car down to 20% SOC. This doesn't have to be immediately, it can be over a few days of use.
5. Once 20% SOC is reached, let the car sit for at least 20-30 minutes.
6. Plug back in and charge to 90% (or 100% if you need the range).
7. Repeat every few months, unless you charge to 100% regularly otherwise.

That's it! Done and done.

I can also confirm this works. I did this a few weeks ago and it went up to 257 (from before 254). Did it again over the weekend and got to 259. My original charge when I got it was 265, so it's getting up there.

13'800 miles, 1 year old.

 

[brianman]

There is documentation from Tesla for the roadster, but for the Model S, Tesla has just stuck with "plug the car in whenever it's not in use".

If you watch the Model S charging near the end, you can see the balancing occurring. With an unlocked car, the charge port goes from blinking to solid green, and after about 5-15 minutes the charge port goes dark. The instrument cluster stays on, and the voltmeter(on dash) also pulses during this time. After the balancing is complete the dash goes dark. The entire process takes about 30 minutes, which is the amount of time that Tesla also recommends the roadster be left plugged in after charge completion.

Can you describe what you expect to see in the REST logs during the underlined period?

Below is what the charge cycle (and some vampire afterwards) looked like for my vehicle from last night. Any idea what's going on with the underlined entries?

timestamp,soc,power,range,est_range
1394583169759,77,-17,179,107
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[AmpedRealtor]

All of the evidence points to a calibration issue with the algorithm. Charging to 100% or close to it, then discharging to 20%, provides the algorithm with more data regarding where the endpoints of your battery exist. It uses that data to estimate your range. This regimen calibrates the algorithm, it is not in itself indicative of any balancing issues.

 

[qwk]

Can you describe what you expect to see in the REST logs during the underlined period?

Below is what the charge cycle (and some vampire afterwards) looked like for my vehicle from last night. Any idea what's going on with the underlined entries?

timestamp,soc,power,range,est_range
1394583169759,77,-17,179,107
1394583170258,78,-17,179,107
1394583224258,78,-17,180,107
1394583263258,78,-17,180,108
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I haven't followed any logs on my own car because there is no 3g within 50 miles of where I live, and the car doesn't connect to my wifi unless I park on the grass, next to the router.

Your logs do appear strange.

- - - Updated - - -

All of the evidence points to a calibration issue with the algorithm. Charging to 100% or close to it, then discharging to 20%, provides the algorithm with more data regarding where the endpoints of your battery exist. It uses that data to estimate your range. This regimen calibrates the algorithm, it is not in itself indicative of any balancing issues.

It could very well be a calibration issue for those that only use a small percentage of their pack, but quite a few people with low rated range numbers use most of their pack capacity on road trips.

 

[brianman]

Your logs do appear strange.

Aside from the underlined oddities, do you see evidence of pack balancing in that data?

My car has been set to Standard93/Daily90 every time it's been plugged in since taking delivery. I don't have any anecdotal evidence of pack balancing, so I'm looking for ways to see evidence of it in my logs.

As one who plugs in every night and has driven it to and below "0 rated" at least 3 times, I would expect there would be some indication of pack balancing in the logs if it indeed occurs at 90% (rather than just 100%).

 

[lloyds]

Did he say how often we should do this? Once a month, every 2-3 mos, etc.?

Ah yes. Sorry..I speed read.

 

[qwk]

Aside from the underlined oddities, do you see evidence of pack balancing in that data?

My car has been set to Standard93/Daily90 every time it's been plugged in since taking delivery. I don't have any anecdotal evidence of pack balancing, so I'm looking for ways to see evidence of it in my logs.

As one who plugs in every night and has driven it to and below "0 rated" at least 3 times, I would expect there would be some indication of pack balancing in the logs if it indeed occurs at 90% (rather than just 100%).

The values shown in the log have absolutely nothing to do with balancing. There is simply no way to tell from that information.

 

[Gizmotoy]

The values shown in the log have absolutely nothing to do with balancing. There is simply no way to tell from that information.

Sure there would. If your pack is unbalanced and it is being balanced, your estimated range will increase for a given SOC. If it's not obvious within a single charge (such as a pause where standard charging ends and balancing begins, or a decrease in the rate at which range is increasing), it'd be discernable when comparing the data from two charges.

 

[qwk]

Sure there would. If your pack is unbalanced and it is being balanced, your estimated range will increase for a given SOC. If it's not obvious within a single charge (such as a pause where standard charging ends and balancing begins, or a decrease in the rate at which range is increasing), it'd be discernable when comparing the data from two charges.

What I meant was that the information contained in the log is no different from the dash display. In order to get more detailed info, you have to have the password.

 

[hans]

Sure there would. If your pack is unbalanced and it is being balanced, your estimated range will increase for a given SOC. If it's not obvious within a single charge (such as a pause where standard charging ends and balancing begins, or a decrease in the rate at which range is increasing), it'd be discernable when comparing the data from two charges.

When I look at my logs I have never seen estimated range increase during balancing, even when the logs show current going into the pack. I have never seen current going into the pack at 90% SOC, only at 100% SOC. Brianman's logs show 0 amps going into the pack at 90%, hence no balancing.

 

[djp]

When I look at my logs I have never seen estimated range increase during balancing, even when the logs show current going into the pack. I have never seen current going into the pack at 90% SOC, only at 100% SOC. Brianman's logs show 0 amps going into the pack at 90%, hence no balancing.

On the Roadster balancing is done by bleeding off the highest bricks, not topping up the lowest bricks, so it's possible to balance without drawing power. The current draw at 100% could be the tail end of a long ramp down, not balancing. It's hard to say what the Model S is actually doing without access to the diagnostics, or a technical blog from Tesla (I miss those!)

 

[Gizmotoy]

When I look at my logs I have never seen estimated range increase during balancing, even when the logs show current going into the pack. I have never seen current going into the pack at 90% SOC, only at 100% SOC. Brianman's logs show 0 amps going into the pack at 90%, hence no balancing.

Useful information. I wonder if the estimated range increase is only seen, then, at the next charge after a balance. That would make sense.

The lack of balancing at 90% matches most people's observations (qwk excluded) as well. Perhaps balancing at 90% is an operation that only occurs once in awhile, rather than at every charge? That could explain both observations.

I'm going to see if I can get a better look at my logs as well. I use VisibleTesla and I can see all the raw data there, but it's not really in a form that's easy to get to (non-delimited text file).

 

[hans]

When I look at my logs I have never seen estimated range increase during balancing, even when the logs show current going into the pack. I have never seen current going into the pack at 90% SOC, only at 100% SOC. Brianman's logs show 0 amps going into the pack at 90%, hence no balancing.

Sorry to be ambiguous. When I said I haven't seen estimated range increase I meant that I have seen the value of 'range' increase (rated 'range' being and estimated value). I did not mean to say that I haven't seen 'est_range' increase. This is a value only available through the REST API, as in brianman's logs, and it is weird and does go up and down in unexplained ways.

 

[brianman]

What I meant was that the information contained in the log is no different from the dash display. In order to get more detailed info, you have to have the password.

Huh? I think you're saying there is no user-discernable impact of pack balancing? I thought this was "the" way that people would see their range "returned" to their UI. Are you saying the REST logs lie, or that balancing doesn't have this effect, or something else?

 

[rlang59]

Huh? I think you're saying there is no user-discernable impact of pack balancing? I thought this was "the" way that people would see their range "returned" to their UI. Are you saying the REST logs lie, or that balancing doesn't have this effect, or something else?

I suspect he was getting at this:
For those owners unhappy with drop in maximum charged range - Page 24

That being the case you wouldn't see anything in REST or on the dash that tells you it is balancing.