from watching vids of the car approaching roundabouts (most of which have yield signs for cars entering the roundabout), the car mostly will stop and treat it as a stop sign. I’ve seen it occasionally just enter properly if there is no impeding traffic, but mostly I’ve seen the car stop. And I honestly don’t know how many of the times I’ve seen it handle it properly were the car doing it by itself, or the driver hitting the accelerator. Most people taking vids will note when they hit the go pedal, but not always.
Oh man, that will cause some rear-end accidents at clear intersections.
Mass or volume?
I had to watch it again because I was sure it was a disengagement. It handled it like a champ who just got rocked by an uppercut, staggered a bit but recovered.The car did terribly, but as far as I can tell FSD did not disengage. So the car made the turn. This driver is really trusting the process!
Handled like a champ, lol. Makes driving so much easier and less stressful.
Is this the kind of "safe" driver we want testing FSD?This driver is really trusting the process!
Safety is of course paramount. This is perhaps part of the joy of driving that FSD brings. A little accelerator staccato.
So do we consider every human that drives past a crosswalk without stopping to be a menace?
This had always been an issue with L4 vehicles, the early Cruise cars here in SF were like this. Overly cautious and unpredictable (at least in the sense they don't act like human drivers do) and this made taxi drivers' blood boil when they end up on the same street. But you can't actually say it's "unsafe" as it does minimize the chance of a crash from making a mistake, even though it may irritate every driver on the road.
I'd think only long term statistics would prove that. While the vehicles themselves may hit something less often, if they are hit or cause other accidents, then as a society we may have moved backwards. The system we are trying to solve here is overall human harm, not just people in autonomous cars.
Are you saying Tesla's "FSD" will drive through a crosswalk or yield if there is a lead vehicle, but stop if there is not and requires human intervention? That is suddenly way less "FSD" than even I thought as a skeptic. I guess all these FSD video drivers are constantly tapping the accelerator and not mentioning it? It also means that it will totally break the law sometimes when the lead vehicle can make it fine but you are supposed to stop.
Sure, that's true, but that is counted as a no-fault accident and the other driver would be at fault.
By production I mean the public release, not the beta. When I had my FSD trial at the beginning of the year, the car asked for confirmation through every light and only didn't when there was a lead vehicle. I don't watch FSD Beta videos enough (nor have I tried it myself obvious) to determine if the behavior is the same and also not sure if an update may have changed this in the production version.
I'll believe it when he goes 6 months without something crazy, not just 1 week. As it is now, we're just as likely to get a "9.4 isand will blow your mind" two weeks from now as we are "9.4 is a nice small step forward, progress continues"
This implies engineers are hand tuning it to fit his roads specifically, but from what had been seen in presentations this is basically impossible. It is however likely the NNs are "overfit" to the roads local to Tesla, given their internal testing is all done there (this would naturally happen without needing any deliberate action from engineers). But it isn't something you can really tweak by hand (only to some of the decision making parts that are still hand coded, but earlier in the year they have already started migrating that to NNs).
Never said they tweaked it by hand. But "overfitting" or making sure it has tons of training data for specific roads is still something humans can do to improve performance in specific areas that they want to focus on. In fact, it's one of the things you have to be actively careful of when training an NN, there's all sorts of bias you can introduce because of the training sets you choose. Just the bias of engineers being in CA and experiencing failures personally and focusing on fixing those is a kind of bias.
