Dirty Tesla speculated about right on red, but its possible that data came from the map (or both). My guesses are as good or bad as anyone else, but I'm assuming Tesla get data from the map as well as the cameras. From my somewhat outdated knowledge of AI the map data is possibly used as hints to the AI (such as "expect a right on red restriction here" type of thing). And for clarity, I'm not talking the (much confused) idea of an HD map here, just the basic info available from the nav maps.
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Dirty Tesla speculated about right on red, but its possible that data came from the map (or both). My guesses are as good or bad as anyone else, but I'm assuming Tesla get data from the map as well as the cameras. From my somewhat outdated knowledge of AI the map data is possibly used as hints to the AI (such as "expect a right on red restriction here" type of thing). And for clarity, I'm not talking the (much confused) idea of an HD map here, just the basic info available from the nav maps.
So forget what the steering wheel did. What grade would you give FSD for this sharp right turn?
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It knows from the map data it needs to take a hairpin right, but the vision system isn't able to confirm if that path is available yet. It may be planning contingency routes in case it is eventually unable to go right at the tee. It can see that it can go left.
It knows from the map data it needs to take a hairpin right, but the vision system isn't able to confirm if that path is available yet. It may be planning contingency routes in case it is eventually unable to go right at the tee. It can see that it can go left.
This is a good explanation and the way that I've always ASSUMED it was working. It's basically a "trust but verify" system.
mikes_fsd
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Chazman92
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#FSDBeta 7 -2020.48.10.1 - Turn Near Large Trucks and a Turn Signal Issue in this build
So you're a driving test examiner. You tell me to turn right at the stop sign.
I look left and right and evaluate my contingency routes. Fine, we're all gonna do that subconsciously. Somewhat. That's part of drawing the lines of the road.
But what FSD is doing is plotting a path and actually turning the steering wheel as it flits between dozens of path choices.
If I turn the wheel to the left while planning to go left, then turn right while planning to go right, several times in the same second. Well that's an awkward way for a person to be driving. That's undue hesitation, and yes you would fail.
eg.: "Undue Hesitation: Due to the candidate not applying enough observation and planning in advance, they’ll arrive at the junction and decide what to do once they are there"
Thanks for posting that Chuck.
Another example of risky instant course correction. The path flits to the right into the path of the truck beside him. The steering wheel follows causing Chuck to make a disengagement. It happens too quickly to be hands-off.
Kim got some snow. Another of her's doing a great job assertively ducking in and out.
#FSDBeta again ducking into open parking spaces to allow opposing traffic to go by - Joules didn’t hesitate! So good! #Tesla #FSD #Model3 https://t.co/RvMrmK4s65
https://twitter.com/kimpaquette/status/1341076129885642756?s=20
#FSDBeta again ducking into open parking spaces to allow opposing traffic to go by - Joules didn’t hesitate! So good! #Tesla #FSD #Model3 https://t.co/RvMrmK4s65
https://twitter.com/kimpaquette/status/1341076129885642756?s=20
I think you missed the point of the exercise. Just look out the window and grade how well the car took the turn. The driver certainly seemed very pleased and didn't think the car failed. I'll give it a B, certainly not an F.
I didn't grade the turn, just the behaviour. If it makes the turn without disengagement nor hitting anything then fine it's a B.
The turn in Chuck's video is an F
Tough crowd. Your examiner might think it was great you were being prudent before committing to a blind turn at the peak of your path. There could be a washout just around the corner just past the peak. If you had your wheels hard right and are now pointing at and close to the washout, what can you do? Fsd can't back up yet. By turning the wheels hard left, you are still going to advance toward the washout for awhile, so you might be trapped there. There could be other obstructions as well, or there could be no road there at all.
The car doesn't repeatedly turn the steering wheel to the left and then the right. It straightens the wheel once a little (less of a right turn) as it starts to advance until it has more confidence in the route to the right. Then it commits.
The paths change while he waits his turn as the car to the right approaches and travels through the intersection.
Your hypotheticals are not relevant as that's not what happened in this case.
The path mechanism of the last few videos I have commented on shows that it's making snap decisions that vary several times per second. Worse it's taking action on these changes. The only necessary path was right, there was no need to take a left path. If that was part of the decision process fine, but the wheel is following the path choices.
It's clear that we are making different conclusions based on the same video, and that's fine by me. We're all entitled to our opinion, only a programmer/analyst from Tesla can give the correct answer.
This seems to happen frequently here. You seem entrenched and determined to find fault with fsd even at the most trivial level, steering wheel moves too much. I'm certain I've already exceeded GlmnAlyAirCar's limit on commentary, so, OK.
Chazman92
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#FSDBeta 7 2020.48.10.1 City Drive in two parts.
This video is a bit longer than my normal vid, but the discussion I felt made it worth posting.
This video is a bit longer than my normal vid, but the discussion I felt made it worth posting.
powertoold
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UC Davis Drive TESLA FSDBETA 2020.48.10.1 - 15:36 - Brandonee916
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