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Thanks for this comment. I had 4.15 and was wondering what in the WORLD happened to the system. It was terrible! It was braking at EVERYTHING. By the time 4.18 rolled out… phantom braking seems to be either back to normal or completely eliminated. Not sure which because I haven’t driven...

This is one of the longer dry spells I've seen during my 2.5 year ownership!

The release of smart summon got delayed and delayed and delayed, etc. Then it started slowly showing up on YouTube to very limited beta testers and then it got delayed and delayed and delayed. Eventually came out and was cool but as you say - mostly a party trick. I think FSD is FAR more than...

Things have been eerily quiet. To me that likely means that we are still quite a ways from seeing a broader rollout of FSD. But if you want to be optimistic then it could also mean that they are working very hard on the next big release so that we are within a month or so of the FSD rollout...

It still baffles me when folks are perpetually surprised when the timeline of events aren't exactly as Elon says they will be in his (seemingly) random tweets. I mean, the guy has a LONG and predictable history of being overly optimistic. You can debate the reasons and you can debate the...

Yea - this was my takeaway from his last few days of tweets. I'm guessing that when 9.0 rolls out it will go out to a small group of beta testers first and then we will see a slow rollout similar to what we are seeing with the current beta. So I'm thinking we will basically have a broader...

Absolutely! I only saw one or two VERY small glitches and I'm not even convinced they were glitches. FINALLY!!!

Good to hear! I got the update last night as well. I'll test it out today.

There's no arguing that Elon is always overly optimistic (maybe on purpose maybe not... doesn't really matter). Most people with a brain know to take his timeline projections with a grain of salt. Having said all that - I still think that there is a good chance that we will see a...

He said that he did a full reset. Odd for sure. Not sure what to think after this update. Sometimes I'm highly encouraged and sometimes I'm not.

Not a good experience for him for sure!

On one hand I certainly understand where you are coming from - I really do. But this is 2020 (er... 2021) and in this day and age you buy something (ESPECIALLY technology) for what it already DOES not what it's promised to do. At a minimum you buy it for what it does and HOPE that it does what...

I might agree with you if video games and fart noises were the only updates pushed to my car but it's such a small percentage of the updates that it's almost comical that you chose to use these examples to make your point.

Yea - I mean we've got the only cars in the world that push out meaningful updates over the air so I understand all the whining. My car has improved substantially since the day I bought it so I'm pretty pleased.

Yep. Those chargers have been inoperable since the start I believe. They weren't working over Thanksgiving.

While I do agree with what you are saying I think it's also fair to state that even though the FSD Beta is far from complete it appears to be much further along that anyone expected right out of the gate. So in my mind at least, this is the one time that Elon has actually surprised me with such...

How would ou feel about them rolling it out with confirmations required for various maneuvers that are deemed risky?

I agree that FSD Beta isn't ready to release without some sort of confirmation required. I still suspect that we will get it with confirmations in the next few weeks. It's worlds better than what we have now.

This is a good explanation and the way that I've always ASSUMED it was working. It's basically a "trust but verify" system.

Likewise!

Whatever it is... you're making my point. :D

Man... we need a release of FSD to the public soon. If for no reason other than to give us something more substantive to debate than the legalities and responsibilities of jay walking.

Hahaha! The worst mistake I ever made (and only once...) was running behind a car that pulled up to an intersection so that I wouldn't hold them up from pulling out. Well... that nice gesture is a horrible idea because others turning onto that road can no longer see you! I did the ol' swim...

I think he is simply saying that he's talked to a lot of folks who are local and chose to charge at the SC instead of putting in a charging setup at home (or because they can't). I recently had a unique scenario where we started construction on a new house in July and sold our house in...

I hear you on the runner's rant. I know it VERY well. I make eye contact at intersections and even then I've had many, many close calls! Some of them have been my fault and some the drivers fault and some are just nearly impossible to avoid.

Sheesh. I'll restate it in real-world terms then. I currently use AP on city streets despite the fact that he manual says it's not intended for that use. I believe that FSD Beta is significantly better and safer to use on city streets (even WITH it's current challenges and limitations) than...

We could play the extreme example game all day. As I've stated before, not everything in my world is binary but apparently in your world it is. But honestly - none of this matters because my point is actually dead simple - so simple in fact that you can probably follow it and agree. FSD Beta...

I'm hoping that us mere mortals will get a form of FSD soon that gives us all these benefits but then requires confirmation (via stalk or pedal) in order to make turns. FSD is clearly better at general driving than AP so hopefully we see it very soon.

Yea, seriously. This is a scenario that they could absolutely not allow you to engage autopilot if they didn't want you to. They don't currently allow you you engage autopilot in certain situations so we know they could disable it if they wanted to. They don't want to. And stoplights and...

Trust me man... I'm not the one who's lost here. I'm going to do you a favor and let this one go. Your brain is far too binary for discussing happening in the real world.

I think they very much intend to have it in there honestly. It's legal ease to protect them. I think they will have it in there until FSD is rolled out and even then they will have SOME form of verbiage in there to protect them. It's like those stupid tags on pillows and mattresses that say...

Right... It also explicitly says this: "Autosteer is intended for use only by a fully attentive driver on freeways and highways where access is limited by entry and exit ramps. If you choose to use Autosteer on residential roads, a road without a center divider, or a road where access is not...

I thought we'd already cleared this up??! Hard to believe you're still banging that drum.

This is what I'm thinking is going to happen (FSD with confirmations released widely). I just don't know if it's coming before the end of the year or early in 2021.

You make a good point about the number of people that use AP (not FSB Beta) on city streets today and maybe this "softly" identifies groups of people that are more bearish on FSD and those that are more bullish on FSD. I use AP on city streets every single time I get into the car. For me...

Just curious. How do you think FSD Beta compares to using AP on city streets today? To me - it's head and shoulders better and safer than what we have today. I could totally see them rolling out FSD with "confirmation" for turns in the very near future. Many seem to forget what the current...

If they are going to do a neutered FSD release then I'd imagine we'll get all the functionality that FSD Beta has EXCEPT that it will require confirmation (either stalk or pedal) to act on intended movements.

Agreed! This thread is a treasure trove of information and it take a lot of time to keep up with all the videos!

VERY slow U-Turn but still impressive.

Looked perfect to me!

Yea, the signals are all boinked up at the moment (and have been since the earliest FSD release). The seemingly simplest things always seem to represent some of the more difficult challenges when it comes to stuff like this.

It's like he's talking in code. I need a "Green for Dummies" book.

I feel the exact same way. I've got the DJI Mavic Mini that I use for vacation videos and things of the sort and that's really about all I need. But I've been eyeing this Skydio for months now just because it's ridiculous cool! I do a lot of trail running, mountain biking, road cycling, and...

I agree. The longer videos are getting very repetitive at this point. The shorter, very specific videos are helpful.

I agree. But this happens in just about every aspect of life. People get in cars piss-drunk too.

The human driver is always expected to be in control. I'm not sure why everyone keeps skipping over this.

Agreed. I think there are really two different types of folks out here. You and I are in one camp and the other camp feels like FSD has to be L5 capable before rolling it out.

So I assume you are saying that statistics show that autopilot is significantly less safe (or even in absolute terms) than human drivers? Tesla would strongly disagree.

EXACTLY!!! Thank you! It honestly blows my mind that folks are so up in arms about the potential of FSD. Two systems are always better than one. And the current state of FSD requires that the human driver is ALWAYS in control of the vehicle. Folks in these forums act as if FSD is stating...

LOL! Sheesh. You guys really think having someone behind the wheel, IN the car is more dangerous than having a car drive autonomously through a parking lot with NO driver in the car? Let's put this in perspective... JUST because the car has "FSD" the driver isn't going to be paying ANY...