AlanSubie4Life
Efficiency Obsessed Member
If you enable it. I think the strikes system (preventing use of FSD if get more than 3/5) is active regardless of whether enabled though (not sure about that).
Last edited:
-
Want to remove ads? Register an account and login to see fewer ads, and become a Supporting Member to remove almost all ads.
FSD is unavailable now due to error in defeat device detected
- Thread starter Strasso57
- Start date
For a time I had a similar idea, and put my sunvisor in the way of the camera.cover the camera lense which is above rear view mirror
This worked fine for a while, but when I tried this on a long trip AP nags started freaking out. Eventually, I stopped trying to trick the camera, and when I put the sunvisor in its stowed position with clear view to my eyes then the nags became literally instant. No amount of watching the road changed things and I had to drive like a caveman for a few hours.
Eventually after a charge, things reverted to normal and I never tried fooling the camera afterward.
I have small webcam covers like these:
https://amzn.eu/d/chsxMeR
They are tiny, slim and very discrete
Using it since 22.36 update and have no AP nags
AlanSubie4Life
Efficiency Obsessed Member
Different country. Different software. Different results.
This will end in tears in the US with FSD software.
Thing is it can be slided as "enabled" or "disabled". As well as adhesive is very light, can be removed without any residuals
So in the end, all cost you will have is going to be like 5 american euros ;D and if this will not work - no harm made. But if it works, well duuuh..
The progression for defeat devices is not as shown above.
I do not use them. I have an extremely steady hand and drive multiple lifetimes of ownership for a Tesla for most folks annually on AP, and also on FSDb on both cars.
One notice of red, and the next is a strike. Have spoke to Tesla about this, and response was working on it.
My method of holding wheel has changed as I had three strikes on the S, and was booted. All I can figure is I had a repetition of movement that is very calculated and timed mentally that mimics a defeat device. The way my hands rest, and the movement would suggest such. Unfortunately I don't do the video stuff for cars.
AlanSubie4Life
Efficiency Obsessed Member
I understand it is reversible.
I just wanted to reply so people knew that it would not work. They are of course welcome to spend their time and money installing it and then disabling it.
AlanSubie4Life
Efficiency Obsessed Member
You can try it with small piece of duct tape (or small adhesive piece of post-it note) as well before spending money ..
But you don’t Need to. As he pointed out unless your using an Old version of software it won’t Work in the US.
This thread is about using FSD Beta and that requires the camera. So why do you keep saying to cover it when that is NOT an option?
Agreed, I wasnt trying anything nefarious but the car was giving me warnings for wearing sunglasses as if I wasn't looking at the road. Putting tape over the camera didnt even work back then, but the sunvisor trick did work...until it also failed drastically.
I decided rather than defeating the safety devices (even ones that were bugged) I'd just drive like a caveman.
I have had the same problem dozens of times on a long trip. It started with 2022.44.25.5 and is continuing with 2022.44.30.5 The message repeats 3 times eventually and then turns off FSD until I can put the car in park. Any ideas on how to fix it?
From a diagnostic standpoint, I'm really interested in why this is happening to some people. I rarely get torque requests when I drive, and I don't do anything special - just hold the wheel mostly with my left hand at 7:30ish. I've never gotten a strike, nor a false defeat device detected warning. What is different between my car and other cars that are constantly having problems? Is it a torque sensor that's malfunctioning? Is it a faulty steering wheel? A wiring harness problem?
Would be interesting if there was some way to watch live data coming from the wheel, showing its position. Sitting still, the readout should show a constant stream of 0, but then as you touch the wheel, the readout would show the stream change to -1, -2, or +1, +2, etc. Like running a constant ping to a server, looking for timeouts at some point.
Would be interesting if there was some way to watch live data coming from the wheel, showing its position. Sitting still, the readout should show a constant stream of 0, but then as you touch the wheel, the readout would show the stream change to -1, -2, or +1, +2, etc. Like running a constant ping to a server, looking for timeouts at some point.
Just weighing in on the original post that this same thing has happened to me since the Christmas update. It seems like you get about 3 false "defeat device detected" warnings before it cuts you off and gives you a strike. They don't seem to follow a pattern depending on various positions of holding the wheel or at different amounts of torque, or not holding the wheel at all. Frankly, between this and the miserable failure that FSD is anyways, I am officially giving up and from now on driving manually at all times. I've never seen a company F something up so bad as this. I just wish we could get the car that we had back to early 2020. That is, when Autopilot was a usable feature on the highway and we didn't have it accuse us of doing something that we weren't doing.
AlanSubie4Life
Efficiency Obsessed Member
Yes, I don’t get it either. I am now on the latest release and have seen none of these defeat device warnings. Seems like a bug related to hardware somehow.
I just hold my wheel in a super relaxed way and I never have any issues. I do get annoying nags from time to time. Usually they clear easily without me actually doing anything differently, but sometimes a wiggle is needed which is very dumb, since the cabin camera and the other telemetry can tell I am holding the wheel (without being able to see my hands or the wheel).
But the problem some are experiencing here is not a problem for me. Weird.
Is anyone experiencing problems when consistently holding the wheel in this relaxed, neutral, and comfortable posture?
Not sure what would happen. I believe it says in the current release notes that if you get 3 strikes that there is a much shorter period for getting FSD back. Like 2 weeks maybe?? As a side note, The one curious item that I didn't include in my post is that I have FSD completely turned off and have for quite some time now. (I found that I have fewer other glitches with it turned off and I really don't like it anyway. I just want Autopilot for the highway mostly). And it's still giving me the false "cheat device detected".
AlanSubie4Life
Efficiency Obsessed Member
More details on exact conditions (vehicle, light, hand position, Road scenario, etc.) would be interesting. Safely taken video too since it seem reproducible.
Similar threads
- Article
