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That's how NN training works in general. Keep monitoring the loss function, test against separate data. Update training data. Repeat.If v12 is E2E NN, doesn't that mean you can train it in a corner ~indefinitely? Maybe speed of progress is compute limited, but...Just pull the code and check the progress at intervals?
You need training data and maintain some appropriate balance of that to learn a variety of behaviors. Previously with coded logic, you could be more sure that the car gives 3 feet for bicyclists, but now as neural networks, if this specific behavior isn't a dedicated set of training data, it will "just" learn what humans typically do (assuming training data is from human examples).If v12 is E2E NN, doesn't that mean you can train it in a corner ~indefinitely?
The data doesn't let us know that though.
If attempt 1000 worked, attempt 1000 worked, regardless of attempts 1-999 failing.
People do bowl 300...
Sorry if this is off-topic, but is there any clue whatsoever as to when we’ll see this update, or any update at all? It’s been two months of 11.4.4 and I’m sick of the build. Control code may have improved but it doesn’t make up for the car’s schizoid behavior.
It's not a matter of which makes more sense to you, it's a matter of what actually happened and what data we have to determine that. The original claim I responded to was: "I mean we know Tesla took 500+ miles of footage over dozens of takes and edited it into a single short video they presented as a single take for the 2016 FSD demo."Which makes more sense?
Over 500 miles they averaged one intervention every less-than-3 miles--- thus they got a lot of SHORT clips over 4 days and spliced them into one video without telling anyone about that (and they needed 4 days because they didn't have enough footage after 2 or 3- Elon specifically announced pushing back the video release as mentioned in the story)
or
Over 500 miles it repeatedly failed hilariously often (177 interventions in 520 total miles), but then somehow MAGICALLY WORKED PERFECT THE WHOLE TIME ONCE?
(Hint it's not that second one)
It's not a matter of which makes more sense to you, it's a matter of what actually happened
and what data we have to determine that. The original claim I responded to was: "I mean we know Tesla took 500+ miles of footage over dozens of takes and edited it into a single short video they presented as a single take for the 2016 FSD demo."
How do we *know*? I see some things you are making inferences from, but that's not the same thing.
Yep, just like my keys are ALWAYS IN THE VERY LAST PLACE I LOOK. (Because I stop looking once I've found them, just like Tesla would stop running the route once they got a clean run.)Because I find the idea that it would fail, over and over again, nearly 200 failures in a few days, and then MAGICALLY THE VERY LAST TIME work flawlessly for the entire drive to be unlikely to the point of insanity.
Yep, just like my keys are ALWAYS IN THE VERY LAST PLACE I LOOK. (Because I stop looking once I've found them, just like Tesla would stop running the route once they got a clean run.)
Another week of lies from Musk, I guessLast we heard, v11.4.7 is in the works. Tesla FSD Beta: Musk Says Beta 11.4.7 Goes Out This Week; Hypes FSD V12
Wait, I just got home from a weekend trip and expected to have 11.4.x ready to download, are you saying that’s not the case?Another week of lies from Musk, I guess
I’ve been on 11.4.4 for two months and it’s by far the worst build yet.Wait, I just got home from a weekend trip and expected to have 11.4.x ready to download, are you saying that’s not the case?
Is there anyone we can call, maybe it’s some error.
/s
You clearly never drove it on the very early FSDb versions...I’ve been on 11.4.4 for two months and it’s by far the worst build yet.
Those versions weren’t widely available to the general public. (moderator edit)You clearly never drove it on the very early FSDb versions...
The relevance is that the older builds were much worse, falling into your "worst yet" classification. Don't sweat it; we look forward to your participation here, but I'd invite you to leave out the personal insults. They don't contribute anything but animosity, and we stay reasonably civil around here.Those versions weren’t widely available to the general public. (moderator edit)
Just pointing out it isn’t the worst. Perhaps the worst for you. But we’ve seen much worse.Those versions weren’t widely available to the general public. I don’t really get these irrelevant comparisons. Tesla fanboyism? Probably.