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So I am quite new to the Tesla experience (1 month, 2500km with a 2018 Model S EAP AP2.5), but I can't get my head around how Autosteering selects speed, and how much I can trust or use it.
Is there anywhere a good description of it? The user manual is not very detailed on this topic.
What I...
I own a '23 MYLR which I've had since Feb, no FSD. My wife just bought a '23 M3P that came with FSD for 3 months which just ended. I've run FSD in a combination of highway, suburban, and rural environments. Two things are very clear to me after three months. First, it's performance ranges...
autopilot chill is not chill
chill mode is not chill
fix fsd extreme late deceleration
fsd hard and late braking
fsdjerkydrivingfsd swerving in large right lanes
fsd tailgating in city streets
fsd unnecessary/bad lane changes
fsd wrongly swerving into turn lanes
phantom braking
Running 2023.44.30.6 on a Model X but I noticed this after the update before this one...maybe on Oct
At highway speeds on a wide curve the car is not able to hold a smooth corner. Instead it seems to ping pong in the lane. Not an unsafe overcorrection, but you can feel the car sway as does...
I've been testing FSD since Jan 2022. The software improved from Jan 2022 to approx Nov 2022. Since then, it's been one disaster after another, often the newer release fixed a problem created by the prior release. The latest is no exception. Here's a summary of the latest disasters...
autopilot chill is not chill
fsd hard and late braking
fsdjerkydrivingfsd late deceleration
fsd unnecessary/bad lane changes
fsd wrongly swerving into parking lanes
fsd wrongly swerving into turn lanes
phantom braking
Drove about 300 mi round trip yesterday to get to where the eclipse was a full ring. First trip in 2023 Model Y with 2023.32.6 software, basic autopilot only. Some really bad regressions I have observed in this update:
- It missed something like 40% of speed limit signs. And I drive in a place...
I purchased a model y about a month ago. When using autopilot, if I make a slight steering adjustment, the steering jolts, and autopilot turns off. With a Toyota I drove recently, the lane keep assist allowed me to make a steering adjustment, and the system stayed on. I much prefer the Toyota...
I drive the same route most days, and have been accostumed to having to disengage autopilot when i near a certain roundabout because it does not slow down on autopilot
In fact i dont ever recall it ever slowing down for a roundabout in the past. (6 months of ownership)
Now it seems it is...
I’m about 2000 miles into my first significant road trip in my new 2023 Model S with HW4, delivered May 1. I drove from FL to New England, currently in RI. I purchased the car with EAP but subscribed to FSD before the trip so I could use FSD Beta when I wanted to. I’m on build 2023.32.4 (FSD...
autopilot chill is not chill
fsd blocking unmarked right turn lanes
fsd hard and late braking
fsdjerkydrivingfsd late deceleration
fsd not smooth in stop in go traffic
fsd unnecessary/bad lane changes
fsd wrongly swerving into turn lanes
For several months now, when in bumper-to-bumper traffic, if my lane (usually the HOV lane, to the far left) is moving faster than the traffic in the lane to my right, my car, while on EAP, will suddenly lock onto one of the cars in the lane to the right and slow down as if it's actually in my...
#fixphantombraking
autopilot chill is not chill
chill mode is not chill
fsdjerkydrivingfsd not smooth in stop in go traffic
fsd swerving in large right lanes
fsd wrongly swerving into parking lanes
fsd wrongly swerving into turn lanes
phantom braking
I just picked up a model S plaid and have full autopilot if that's applicable to this post. I had parked in a spot backed in, and requested my car pick me up outfront. It was a simple manuever... or so I thought. The green line in the picture is where I assumed it would go, with the star being...
I was coming home yesterday evening and decided to try out FSD with the family in the car since I hadn't used it in a while. There is a car in front of me stopped at the light and a car next to me in the left lane going about the same speed. As we slow down to about 5mph and approach the car in...
My Model 3 was delivered in mid-August 2018. While I originally just had Enhanced Autopilot (EAP), I quickly paid the extra $2000 to get FSD as rumors swirled about Tesla charging more in the future. What's my opinion after 5 years of testing and playing with Tesla EAP and FSD? TLDR: It's pretty...
autopilot chill is not chill
fix fsd extreme late deceleration
fsd hard and late braking
fsdjerkydrivingfsd not smooth in stop in go traffic
fsd swerving in large right lanes
fsd tailgating in city streets
fsd wrongly swerving into parking lanes
fsd wrongly swerving into turn lanes
phantom braking
Here's the issue I observed 2 times over past 24 hours. Notably, this happened at the intersections that weren't previously seen as problematic.
When making an unprotected left or right turn, FSD waits, commits to the turn and proceeds but then violently jerks steering wheel left/right and then...
This has been going on in my 3 for a month or more now across 2 software updates. Multiple times on my 10 mile commute, using autopilot, it will randomly just stop accelerating. Sometimes it happens while going through an intersection, sometimes not. I've tested it in the early morning on...
I’m into my 7th year of my 2nd Tesla, this one being a 3P. It’s 3 years old.
In this 7 year period in my opinion autopilot has gone from good to bad. It’s getting worse and worse as time goes by. For me, my car took a massive step backwards when Musk announced cars would navigate using vision...
chill mode is not chill
fsd auto wipers suck w dry wipes
fsd hard and late braking
fsdjerkydrivingfsd late deceleration
fsd unnecessary/bad lane changes
Today the car stopped waiting for a left hand turn (due to oncoming traffic) on a two lane rural road. When it made the turn and was on the road being turned into, it suddenly made a violent zig zagging movement and seemed to come to a stop about 3 feet into the opposing lane, having crossed...
fsd hard and late braking
fsdjerkydrivingfsd swerving in large right lanes
fsd wrongly swerving into parking lanes
fsd wrongly swerving into turn lanes
Good evening Tesla Motors Club members and lurkers.
2023 Tesla Model 3, Long Range, 2023.20.7, no FSD. Car goes stupid, consistently, driving on I66 Express lanes outside the Beltway in the DC area.
We occasionally drive I66 in the greater DC metro area, from the Beltway out to Dulles and...
FSD was a step in the wrong direction for me. Previously, I would use autopilot daily and it would not try to change lanes for no reason. Now I don't use it anymore.
This is what's doing now:
1. We're getting to the end of the highway where we need to turn right. It's a messy area with 4 lanes...
I was driving today on a slight dow hill, 2 lane divided highway, i was on the inner fast lane.. 55mph
A short 3rd lane appears on my left, for a left turn only through the highway divider
Without warning, car enters the left turn lane for no reason then slams on brake as road disappears in...
About a month into ownership here. On the last few trips with AP; going home during rush hour in the HOV lane with a wall of cars to the right while cruising at 75mph the car will randomly drop into the 50s. I can’t figure out why but it brakes pretty hard. I’m sure the pile of cars behind me...
I've been in the FSD Beta program since summer of last year, and while I've seen updates with significant improvements, so far my limited experience with 11.4.2 has shown more improvements than I've seen in any prior release.
(As always, YMMV).
We've all developed a feel for what FSD Beta can...
autopilot chill is not chill
fsd hard and late braking
fsdjerkydrivingfsd late deceleration
fsd swerving in large right lanes
fsd tailgating in city streets
fsd unnecessary/bad lane changes
fsd wrongly swerving into parking lanes
fsd wrongly swerving into turn lanes
Did a 4 hour round trip drive yesterday and I have to say that I hate how the FSD beta doesn't have an option to stop Auto lane changes because it constantly wanted to go from the highway cruising lane into the passing lane when no one was in front of me. It must have done it about 20 times...
#fixphantombraking
autopilot chill is not chill
elon is an ass
fix fsd extreme late deceleration
fsd does not commit to go
fsd does not maintain proper speed
fsd hard and late braking
fsdjerkydrivingfsd late deceleration
fsd stops too early too quickly
fsd stops too far behind line
fsd tailgating in city streets
So I bought my Long Range, 7-seat Y with the enhanced autopilot feature. My brother-in-law has FSD and enjoys the updates, but I just couldn't justify $15,000 for it, so I settled on enhanced autopilot. Some quirks:
Unlike the human driver, who is likely to step on the brake (or ease off of...
I've had 2022.44.11 for three days now, and for the first time since receiving it, I did a 45-minute drive after dark. (It actually began at late dusk, and by the end it was completely dark.) This drive was mostly on the highway, and phantom braking was awful. I experienced it probably about a...
Phantom braking is unsettling and seems like it could cause a rear ending incident but I've yet to hear of a single case where this has happened. Out of the millions of miles that Teslas have driven with automation, there should be multiple reports of accidents if this were truly a problem...
Some of our threads have “related thread” links at the top. For those that don’t, here are a few related threads from other forums. Use “report” to suggest additional:
HW4 on Investors
FSD on Investors
AI on Investors
Robotaxi on Investors
Please treat these regional threads as read only if...
autopilot chill is not chill
fix fsd extreme late deceleration
fsd blocking unmarked right turn lanes
fsd hard and late braking
fsdjerkydrivingfsd late deceleration
fsd tailgating in chill mode
fsd tailgating in city streets
fsd unnecessary/bad lane changes
phantom braking
TLDR:
What driving conditions have you found challenging for FSDb?
- FSDb is the best driver assist package available today, but is absolutely not ready to take unsupervised control of your vehicle.
- It would work better (and possibly more safely) with a more advanced driver monitoring system...
FSD Beta 10.69 mishandles intersections often. It moves out a little then hesitates and eventually gets through ok. Sometimes it does a great job and not just by following the car ahead. Other times it seems to get overwhelmed by complex movements of multiple objects like pedestrians walking...
After years of waiting I finally got my FSD Beta! After 6-weeks I turned it off.
I found the promise of the FSD Beta to be overblown. Yes it is very cool that the car will navigate on city streets to a destination. But the car is far too timid to be usable. It is worse than driving with a...
I’ve found that FSD Beta (under 2022.44.30.5) cannot negotiate a particular intersection geometry shown below. The vehicle just stops before the intersection and will not proceed.
Here’s the setup: the vehicle is in blue with the direction of motion shown by a black arrow. The planned path...
So, I know this isn't the FSD Beta, but if there is a trickle down of software to the features that were available, I am incredibly disappointed. I just took a 1000 mile trip and there are so many errors and bugs that I just preferred to turn off NoAP and drive on my own. List of things I...
Because of it's utter stupidity I've decided to rename my Y: Nervous Nelly.
The next step will be to sell it.
In cruse control (aka: whatever they call it) it drives like a stupid child with bad eyesight. I can't even count the number of times it's braked for no reason. It is only a...
This weekend was the first road-trip since May and oh boy is TACC vision only different than the older radar enabled versions for my 2019 Model 3.
We were driving back from Llano Texas after a fun weekend in Fredericksburg and the roads from Llano to Fort Worth are primarily small country roads...
Near my house is a spot on a 45 MPH highway where 10.69.2.2 always puts on the brakes, hard. It almost comes to a stop before picking up speed again. I've reported it multiple times.
Today there was a car behind me for the first time.
When I reached the phantom braking spot, instead of...
I have been using both AP and NOAP (Navigate on Autopilot) since I picked up my Model S. I Find that there are only two modes it seems to drive in, aggressive driver or giddy teenager driving on highway for the first time.
It says a lot about the developers who are working on this algorithm...
autopilot chill is not chill
fsd hard and late braking
fsdjerkydrivingfsd late deceleration
fsd not smooth in stop in go traffic
fsd swerving in large right lanes
fsd wrongly swerving into turn lanes
I have simple needs. Just want plain old Autopilot to take some burden off me in stop and go traffic. Used to be ok. Now - I’m embarrassed to drive with it with others and too frustrated to use it alone. Jerks way too hard when braking and super inconsistent acceleration.
Haven’t read too much...
When driving along the motorway, I get a few phantom braking incidents for each hour of driving (roughly and on average). I totally understand this happens to everyone so I'm not alone but a few questions.
What's the best way to deal with this in terms of reporting? I sometimes disengage AP...
Here is the compilation of FSD Beta releases, starting with 10.
All this information comes from Teslafi. Employee only dates are ignored.
Release : Release number. Releases that most of the testers got are in bold and I'm calling them "major releases".
Build : Software build number.
Date ...
autopilot chill is not chill
fix fsd extreme late deceleration
fsd blocking unmarked right turn lanes
fsd hard and late braking
fsdjerkydrivingfsd late deceleration
fsd swerving in large right lanes
fsd tailgating in city streets
fsd unnecessary/bad lane changes
phantom braking
The speed limit on a road I take to work drops from 50 MPH down to 35 as it enters a residential area. When the car passes the 35 MPH sign, the speed limit on the screen drops, but the car takes about a quarter mile to actually slow down. It almost feels like the computer puts the car in neutral...
autopilot chill is not chill
Canada
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fsd tailgating in city streets
fsd wrongly swerving into turn lanes
All FSD chat welcome here but you might prefer one of these:
Technical FSD chat has an entire section.
Tesla Optimus Sub-Prime Robot
Tesla humanoid robot
Investor Engineering Discussions
Tesla Network / Robotaxi Business Model
Super Bulls Only
V2G in a robotaxi world
Tesla BEV Competition...
autopilot chill is not chill
fix fsd extreme late deceleration
fsd blocking unmarked right turn lanes
fsdjerkydrivingfsd late deceleration
fsd swerving in large right lanes
fsd tailgating in chill mode
fsd tailgating in city streets
fsd unnecessary/bad lane changes
phantom braking
Here is a poll to crowdsource Highway Phantom Braking experience stats. This is for Vision only - so you should either have no-radar Tesla or you are on FSD Beta.
By frequent, I mean, it is so much that it actually prevents you from using AP on highways or you take precautions when using it...
The next big milestone for FSD is 11. It is a significant upgrade and fundamental changes to several parts of the FSD stack including totally new way to train the perception NN.
From AI day and Lex Fridman interview we have a good sense of what might be included.
- Object permanence both...
autopilot chill is not chill
fix fsd extreme late deceleration
fsd hard and late braking
fsdjerkydrivingfsd swerving in large right lanes
fsd tailgating in city streets
fsd unnecessary/bad lane changes
fsd wrongly swerving into parking lanes
fsd wrongly swerving into turn lanes
phantom braking
Here is a great summary of what Elon has communicated about the FSD timeline.
https://motherfrunker.ca/fsd/
Full copy below for archival
September 2014
They will be a factor of 10 safer than a person [at the wheel] in a six-year time frame
Source
December 2015
We're going to end up with...
To all model 3 owners...with FW 8.3 or 8.5
While on TACC...does anyone of you notice the following?
1. phantom braking (car slows down for no apparent reason)
2. stops bit far away from front car on the stop and go traffic
3. Takes bit extra time to start once the traffic starts moving
4. The...