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Genesis GV60 comparison to Tesla 3/Y

TL;DR - neither is better.

I’m due to collect my (white/white/19”) Y next week but I became interested in the Genesis GV60 when it was announced some time ago and some of the initial reviews have been very favourable. I finally had a test drive of one yesterday - the two motor Sport version. I’m still going ahead with buying the Y but hopefully if I do decide I prefer the GV60 I shouldn’t lose too much selling the Y…and Tesla actually gave me the best price on my 2020 Model 3.

I appreciate this forum is mainly people who already have a Tesla or have ordered one but in case there are people here trying to decide between different EVs, I hope the comparison below helps. Of course it is all subjective. I am not a Tesla fanboy. I fully appreciate what Tesla has done in spearheading the development of EVs, but I do not workshop at the altar of Elon. :)

Efficiency - no contest. On the exact same journey as the test drive, my Model 3 easily averages at least 4 miles/kwh. I would expect a Y to get slightly less. The GV60 got 3. This has pretty much been the case with every EV I’ve test driven, Tesla gets this so right.

Refinement - GV60 is easily better than my 2020 Model 3 and a MIC Model Y which I’ve been test driving recently. It just has a feeling of solidity about it. All the touchpoints are nice and it is so much quieter than the Model 3 (and the Model Y). The test car did have the B&O sound system which has active noice cancelling which might have helped. Although the ride was firm it was more forgiving than either Tesla.

Performance and handling - the test car was the mid range Sport model, on paper slower 0-60 accelerating than any 3 or Y but in real world overtaking there was little in it. As expected the 3 handled better and I would say the Y probably also handled better though at the expense of a harsher ride than the GV60. Annoying that the GV60 required one pedal driving to be switched on every time it was started. I was surprised to find I did quite like the ability to vary the rate of regen depending on the type of road.

Driver Aids - an easy win for the GV60. It read all speed limits and adjusted speed appropriately in a section of roadworks where the Test doesn’t even see the speed limits. Proper blind spot monitoring, not a video image in part of the screen that is obscured by your arms when driving. Head up display was very good. 360 degree cameras, reversing out of bay cross traffic warnings etc.

Infotainment - no outright winner here. The B&O Sound system was hugely impressive, much better than the Tesla. The GV60 relies on wired Apple Car Play for things like Spotify etc. With regard to Sat Nav, I preferred the head up display on the GV60 rather than having to glance left and down to the Tesla screen and hope that it’s zoomed in on a complicated junction. But the fact that Tesla uses Google maps so you can type in the name of any business is very useful. You might be able to do this with the GV60 but it didn’t have its Connected Services set up so not sure. But of course, the Tesla screen is unbeatable for YouTube, Netflix etc (except for when Theater launches with a blank screen and the only way to fix it is to change the onscreen language, reboot, change the language back again and reboot again).

User interface - I really dislike the Tesla UI. Too much of the screen is dedicated to showing me what’s around the car, wheelie bins, dancing traffic lights. I’ve got windows and mirrors for that. Warning messages with tiny grey on black text etc. They could make this so much better. The GV60 is almost the opposite - so many buttons! Sometimes buttons are a good thing, especially for things like climate control but the GV60 does seem to have gone overboard. But everything that I need as a a driver is there and is clear. The demo car had cameras and screens instead of door mirrors - not a fan but normal mirrors come as standard.

Space - another win for Tesla - especially the Model Y. I was surprised at how little leg room there was in the back of the GV60 given how cavernous the same platform Kia EV6 and Hyundai Ioniq 5 are. There is some under boot storage and a small frunk but they’re tiny compared to the 3/Y.

Other stuff - Tesla gets a lot of the other stuff right in a way that other manufacturers don’t. I can’t find anywhere in the GV60 user manual which tells you how to switch off internal alarm sensors if you need to leave a dog in the car for a while so the chances of being able to do that AND leave the climate control on are probably nil! The GV60 has nothing like Sentry mode. Even though it has keyless entry and exit you still need to carry an old fashioned fob, although that might change if Apple Keys is implemented. With Tesla, you get in the car, put it in drive and go; with the GV60 you have to press a Start/Stop button - if I’m getting in the car it’s highly likely I’m going to be driving it. I love the idea of Vehicle To Load on the GV60 and the chilled seats really do work better than I thought they would. Pin To Drive makes the Tesla almost theft proof, the GV60 has finger print recognition but I think this is to recall seat position etc, not a security device.

Price - the basic Y is now £57990. The single motor GV60 starts at £47,005, twin motor starts at £53,605, the higher performance version starts at £65,405. This includes the same basic cruise control and auto steer as the Y. Adding a sunroof adds £1,200. There are further options available and if you spec the mid range Sport to the max, you’re looking at £63k or £75k for the top of the range.

I really wanted one of them to be better than the other, but they’re not, they’re just very different to each other.


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It's nice to see both sides of the spectrum here despite being on a cult like turf (Tesla lol).

@Jason71 I think you're right in that most of the childish fanbois ran off, which is good. I've noticed TMC to be a lot more mature than the typical forums out there with a bunch of young kids. Definitely a different crowd here and it makes sense.

[From my post in another thread regarding this.]
I was originally going to buy the Genesis GV60 Performance, which is far better built, superior material quality, superior tolerance levels, superior fit & finish, excellent warranty, loaded with tech and with very good performance.

There are uTubers already clocking in 3.8 secs (I foresee it getting faster in the mid 3's with the right driver), including major auto magazine companies, which puts it right inline with the MYP. The 10 sec boost button can be used over and over again, back to back, unlike the Ford mach-e with a weak 5 second that can NOT be used back to back etc... also the HMG (Hyundai Motor Group, includes Genesis and KIA) EVs are pretty linear with providing power throughout a wide range of SOC, unlike Tesla that starts dropping off after ~80% SOC.

The GV60 is pretty innovative with things like facial recognition to lock and unlock your doors (data stored internally*), finger print reader*, smart park to roll your car forward or backwards with the remote, V2L (Vehicle to Load) adapter to power pretty much anything (offering 16A / 1900 watts) of power etc... You can use the V2L to charge another EV and there's a full 16A/1900W outlet inside of the car as well.

Also, the Drivers Assist / Safety Suite / LKA on the Genesis is next level. You'd be shocked.

HMG EVs are also built on the bidirectional E-GMP 800v architecture platform and yes it really can charge 10-80% in just 18 minutes. It's not a gimmick. There are a ton of videos showing this.

You can also charge HMG EVs on Tesla chargers so that's a huge plus for HMG products. - The only other EVs that has a monster 800v architecture are Porsche and Lucid.

If it wasn't for the stupid stealerships with the lowest scums of the earth sales jerks and the ridiculous $7500-$15000 mark ups, I would have gone with the Genesis GV60 Performance in a heart beat.

My second choice was either the IONIQ5 N or EV6 GT (both >3.5 sec cars), but those won't be available til the end of this year and I didn't feel like waiting.

This is why I went with the M3P, which I think is a fantastic EV in respect to its performance and looks. In my opinion I think the Model 3 in general is the best looking rig in the line up and it will and has aged well. I'm happy with my choice, but not ignorant like most of you to know that there are better offerings out there. Only if it wasn't for the timing and the circumstances that we're living in...


The Genesis, KIA and Hyundai EV offerings are fantastic and outshines the 3 and Y in almost every category.

HMG (Hyundai Motor Group) in general has:
  • Superior Build quality
  • Superior Material quality
  • Superior Quality Control
  • Way more practical features
  • Innovative Tech
  • Longer warranty
  • No ridiculous panel gaps or half assembled parts
  • More useful features
  • A bidirectional 800v E-GMP architecture (Very rare as only Lucid and Porsche remain as the few that offer this)
  • 10% to 80% Charge in 18 Minutes. / 5 min charge will yield you 62 miles of range.
  • V2L (Vehicle to Load) Adapter + a plug inside of their EVs that offer 1900w/19A of power
  • You can charge another EV with the V2L Adapter
  • Strong efficiency in respect to the battery capacities offered
  • Amazing Safety Suite 2.0 that ranks among the best in the industry
  • Lane Keep & Driving Assistant that is touted by many to be the best in the industry
In addition to the included standard stuff above, the Genesis GV60 offers a lot more than the 3 and Y as well:
  • Facial Recognition
  • Finger Print Scanner
  • Smartphone as key (same as Tesla, but the point being that even others don't offer this.)
  • Ability to send someone a digital key via your smartphone
  • Massaging Driver Lumbar Support.
  • Heated and Cooled Front Seats. HUGE!
  • Heated Rear Seats
  • 3 Years of Complimentary 30 min charging
  • Actual Luxury Features
  • A Real Luxury Vehicle Experience
  • Smart Park: Move the car forward and backward with the remote that's FREE
  • Head Up Display that rivals the likes of Mercedes etc..
  • 0-60 Time on par wit the MYP
  • Retracting shade for the panoramic glass roof

There is a lot going for HMG right now and in my opinion one would have to be blind to not see the tremendous success they are having with their first large scale EVs.

The IONIQ6 was just announced on the 14th that will compete against the Model 3. The IONIQ6 has the slipperiest drag coeffiency of only 0.21 that puts it right on par with the Lucid and EQS.

Watch out for the HMG N (>3.5 sec) EVs that are coming out as well, which will bring more disruption to the EV world. If they price the IONIQ5 N at $59,990, game over in the performance category and class. - But of course the scum bag stealerships will likely ruin that with mark ups...

I'm very happy with my choice to go with the M3P as I think there are a lot of good stuff going for it as well despite the QC issues etc... I think it's the best looking Tesla model in the line up, offers the best performance in its class, don't have to deal with idiots (stealerships), readily available for the most part, and has a strong charging network. I'm just annoyed that for a ~$70K car that it doesn't offer a HUD, Heated and Cooled Seats etc... a major annoyance.

The EV race has begun and I think that HMG will among the Top 3 here going forward. Tesla does have a decade+ head start, which by default puts it ahead by a lot, however, I think HMG and VW are the two strongest runner ups. VW really has to do something though because their ICE turned EV platform offerings aren't that impressive if you look closely into what it offers. As for the domestic brands, GM talks a lot, but fails to produce and Ford still inherits the typical cheap domestic quality interiors, which they along with the domestic offerings need to address for it to get away from the uhaul truck quality material and build quality. Efficiency is another area that the domestic brands lack (real world data not paper data).

It's all about how well a manufacturer will be able to scale and secure resources moving forward like what Tesla is doing and so far in the US HMG is ahead on investing BILLIONS to build EV only plants along with a dedicated battery plant for large scale production. This is in addition to converting their existing ICE plants to produce EV moving forward.

Remember when Elon said that anyone can make a concept, that's easy... but being able to actual produce it is another story... I think we'll see a lot of start ups fail. I think Rivian is hurting right now from what I hear due to various issues and poor management and companies like Fisker etc... I know I know, Fisker who? Exactly my point and I think Elon's right in that a lot of these start ups will vanish and go pooooof....

We shall wait and see on how things unfold, but what an exciting time to be alive to witness these fancy golf cars that can make most ICE performance cars look like they're going backwards.
What a great response - you should write for a car magazine
 
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Having seen the real world example of my brother's Kona, I'm not so sure about Hyundai/Kia's build quality. A 2 year old car shouldn't be on its second battery pack, third drive motor, second 12v battery (after leaving him stranded on the roadside in Austria when on holiday). Nor should a badly designed boot lid switch drain the 12v battery to zero repeatedly.
 
Didn't watch all of it but they were singing the BMW's praises from what I saw. As for the failing without warning, maybe if they kept their eyes on the steering wheel status symbol on the HUD instead of chatting away and not paying attention they would have noticed the lane keeping assist had disengaged.

Fair enough. I'm not a fan of the buggy firmware, phantom breaking, crap wipers and headlights.
What car do you drive out of curiosity? And what other cars have you driven in the past?
 
Having seen the real world example of my brother's Kona, I'm not so sure about Hyundai/Kia's build quality. A 2 year old car shouldn't be on its second battery pack, third drive motor, second 12v battery (after leaving him stranded on the roadside in Austria when on holiday). Nor should a badly designed boot lid switch drain the 12v battery to zero repeatedly.
Glad to see some balance in this forum which appears full of people complaining about Tesla for everything and imaging that everything else is amazing out there.
 
Yeah I test drove an i4 before I got the Model 3

Edit: yes I do, although my car is the pre facelift so the driver assistance package is the previous gen that’s now standard on the X3 and not the newer one that’ll drive hands free in a traffic jam
Ditto, I test drove i4 and an iX before getting MYLR. I am thinking of doing another round of test drives later in the summer to see how far the various automakers have progressed to get a better idea.
 
I question HMG quality. The i5 when I test drove it a few times was definitely no better than Tesla, in fact I would say Tesla was better overall. No panel gaps like the old US builds, nicer and more confortable inside (no cheap plastic like i5). Infotainment (although subjective for many) was miles better in M3. Charging network a million times better. No markups on standard models and the i5 was more expensive for the same features.

I'm definitely looking forward to what they have to come, like i6 and i7, plus the GV60 looks fantastic. I would love to test drive them to compare, but again, they are pricing themselves way above the m3, so it should be better quality etc.

I dunno its a tough one, but definitely good to see a lot more competitiion in the market. It has been a massive change in the last year.
 

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Having seen the real world example of my brother's Kona, I'm not so sure about Hyundai/Kia's build quality. A 2 year old car shouldn't be on its second battery pack, third drive motor, second 12v battery (after leaving him stranded on the roadside in Austria when on holiday). Nor should a badly designed boot lid switch drain the 12v battery to zero repeatedly.

To be fair, you'll find lemons with any car brand and every car has a story.

Tesla has many stories.
 
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Glad to see some balance in this forum which appears full of people complaining about Tesla for everything and imaging that everything else is amazing out there.
Mainstream vehicles today really need to be judged by the model now as there are stronger offerings than others from the same maker.

There are still attributes of certain brands that carry over to all of their products, like with material and build quality for example.

Like with Tesla (despite being only 4 models) you can see the cheap materials used across the line up.

Does that make everything else out there amazing? No, but to not be able to recognize that there are other offerings that exist would be amazing. Most call that fanbois.

For $60K-70K, there's no excuse in my opinion to not offer ventilated and heated seats. That applies to any car.
 
Mainstream vehicles today really need to be judged by the model now as there are stronger offerings than others from the same maker.

There are still attributes of certain brands that carry over to all of their products, like with material and build quality for example.

Like with Tesla (despite being only 4 models) you can see the cheap materials used across the line up.

Does that make everything else out there amazing? No, but to not be able to recognize that there are other offerings that exist would be amazing. Most call that fanbois.

For $60K-70K, there's no excuse in my opinion to not offer ventilated and heated seats. That applies to any car.
Sometimes I wonder if the direct-to-consumer model used by Tesla even makes sense. Model Y was the second best-selling car in the UK last month, but how many of those buyers are completely new to Tesla with not even a mini test drive experience? Are people assuming that a Tesla would come with a great interior and amazing seats when they order online without seeing the test car first?
There could be a pinned post on this forum saying here is the list of well-known limitations with a Tesla - Auto wipers, auto headlights, and 100 more so that people need not repeat these on every feature discussion. There could be even a dedicated thread for "buyer's remorse" where people could share their frustrations. This way, when there is a thread titled "2022.x.y", the post would only be about new improvements and regressions alone easy for everyone, including Tesla, to understand what works and what doesn't.
 
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Sometimes I wonder if the direct-to-consumer model used by Tesla even makes sense. Model Y was the second best-selling car in the UK last month, but how many of those buyers are completely new to Tesla with not even a mini test drive experience? Are people assuming that a Tesla would come with a great interior and amazing seats when they order online without seeing the test car first?
There could be a pinned post on this forum saying here is the list of well-known limitations with a Tesla - Auto wipers, auto headlights, and 100 more so that people need not repeat these on every feature discussion. There could be even a dedicated thread for "buyer's remorse" where people could share their frustrations. This way, when there is a thread titled "2022.x.y", the post would only be about new improvements and regressions alone easy for everyone, including Tesla, to understand what works and what doesn't.

Spot on and I agree. Very well said. Sadly though I doubt a place like this would promote such a thing "officially" unless it's user driven (posted). I could be wrong; however, it just seems like it would be counter intuitive to turn away potential Tesla buyers, even though it would be facts that are presented.

I'm actually a big supporter of the Tesla online sales model and wish that more brands would adopt to that model. Having Tesla show rooms inside malls for example (like in the US) where people can go and take a look at their leisure, beats the vultures at the stealerships by a long country mile and then some. I do see your point though and am assuming that they don't have Tesla show rooms easily available in the UK?

As for the buyers remorse I think it will become a lot more relevant as more EVs from other makers become available. Tesla in a lot of ways has been getting away with a lot of slack due to being the only ones on the pitch with a decade head start. Now that there's strong competition coming out strong from companies like Hyundai, KIA, Genesis, VW etc... it's shining a huge spotlight on all the things that Teslas lack, basic touches that such an expensive car should have, let alone a better build & material quality.

The landscape of the EV world is going to change dramatically in the coming years and it has already begun...

Edit: I was reading through trackevs and though this article was very relevant to this overall topic.

Great example of some neat info:

"The regen or the recuperation power of a current Tesla LR vehicle maxes at around 85kW. From personal observation, I generally find this value oscillating between 30 to 50kW depending on the speed and inclination.

A cheaper BMW iX1, in contrast, has a maximum regen power of 140kW.

Kia EV6 GT, IONIQ5/6, Genesis GV60/GV70/G80
has an even higher regen power of 360kW."

Note: Hyundai, KIA, Genesis and BMW have paddle shifters to adjust the level of regen to your liking or to turn it off completely.
 
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To be fair, you'll find lemons with any car brand and every car has a story.

Tesla has many stories.
All Komas are having their batteries replaced under a global recall.
The motor problem is also well known and documented .
What I didn't include was the horrendous dealer experience that he also went through, with the dealer forgetting to submit the paperwork twice. This resulted in Hyundai writing to him withdrawing the exchange battery offer as it hasn't been completed in time. Cue a lot of hassle as he was waiting for a date despite chasing the local dealer regularly.
 

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All Komas are having their batteries replaced under a global recall.
The motor problem is also well known and documented .
What I didn't include was the horrendous dealer experience that he also went through, with the dealer forgetting to submit the paperwork twice. This resulted in Hyundai writing to him withdrawing the exchange battery offer as it hasn't been completed in time. Cue a lot of hassle as he was waiting for a date despite chasing the local dealer regularly.
Sounds like a lemon to me and a terrible incompetent stealership to me. That's unfortunate. In the US market it's quite different with laws in place to protect the consumer.
 
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Yeah, this forum is, apparently, full of “Tesla haters”. Let’s hear from the fanboys to balance it up 😁😁
LOL... a healthy discussion is good, but the problem with fanboys is that they are blind to see the truth even when it is presented right in front of their faces. That kind of stuff turns into a kids playground and nothing good comes out of it so no, it's probably not a good idea to get that kind pollution in here.
 
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Lots of things about car ownership is subjective.

- I've had BMWs for years before getting a Tesla so I had a natural interest in the 94 (my last two cars being 4 series) but it wasn't out when I got my SR+ and was too expensive on a like for like options level when I got my LR. Will look again in a couple of years see how things might have changed.

That doesn't mean the BMW is better or worse. I'm accustomed to how they approach things so I'm likely to be immediately more comfortable in a test drive - the switchgear will be where I know it, it'll drive like I'm familiar with etc etc. that may be totally different to someone coming from eg Audi or Merc who is used to their approach. All different flavours and tastes and neither is right or wrong.

There is a baseline that should be met which can be relatively objective - is it safe to drive? Can it accommodate your core use cases (passengers, luggage, range for day to day needs)? and is it relatively efficient? Above that its just taste.

EV6/I5/Taycan/Genesis/M3/MY/i4 etc etc - there are probably over a dozen great options for pure EVs at the model level and you probably can't go wrong with any of them. But some may take more getting used to depending on your preference and history with cars.
 
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