Garlan your statement from Tesla (quoted above) is still just something verbally told, the same as the statement from others from their service center. Did you get in written form as well the same way you demand a copy of the service order from others? You have taken the person you talked to at Tesla's Toll Free Number as fact with no proof, but every other statement posted that differs from yours is false unless backed up with proof?
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glass roof - production change (July 2018)?
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Garlan your statement from Tesla (quoted above) is still just something verbally told, the same as the statement from others from their service center. Did you get in written form as well the same way you demand a copy of the service order from others? You have taken the person you talked to at Tesla's Toll Free Number as fact with no proof, but every other statement posted that differs from yours is false unless backed up with proof?
Garlan Garner
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Oh please....
You are reading wayyyyyyy too much into what I'm typing. I'm cool as a cucumber. Try reading my posts knowing that.
glass roof - production change (July 2018)?
Garlan Garner
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Let me say it for the 10,1000th time.
YOU call tesla. Don't believe me or anyone else here. YOU call Tesla.
Its just hilarious to me that people aren't willing to call Tesla concerning this.
Look, I don't have a question to call Tesla about, I'm just reading this thread for informational purposes. This post here of yours on Monday makes the claim that YOUR answer was the correct one and no one else's. Like you asked others, I ask again, what PROOF do you have that your answer is the correct one and not what other people are saying?
Its nice that you tell people to call Tesla themselves, but you still do it in a way that dismisses any information they are saying they got from Tesla Service Centers.
ℬête Noire
Active Member
That'll happen when hell freezes over.
On a completely unrelated topic, the Ignore feature of this board is awesome and soothing. Can't recommend it enough. Just click on a name and then select Ignore. There is the side effect that occasionally, because it blanks out quotes in 3rd party's posts, you'll see a poster appearing to be engaged in ceaseless discussions with crazy voices in their head. However that's small potatoes compared to the benefits.
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This thread is amusing. Taking delivery of my car this weekend; don’t have a VIN yet, but will report back to see what kind of rear glass I get. I’m on the “insufficient evidence that anything is wrong with the glass Tesla puts on the cars” side; I’m only hoping it comes with 0 pre-installed cracks.
ℬête Noire
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I'm onboard with this as it keeps perspective, yet I love that red colour and really want to see this sorted out before I pulled the trigger on getting the aftermarket film installed. I don't want to risk ending up weighing those few hundred dollars to replace the film against getting asking Tesla to replace with the red glass. So I'll just keep track of this topic over the new few weeks to see how it all shakes out.
A new model 3 appeared in my neighborhood. It's so new it doesn't even have plates yet (here in NH, you get your plates from your town hall when you register it post-delivery). The car is just parked in the street, and today it rained. I drove by and noticed the rear glass didn't have the red/orange droplets.
Sure feels like this is an intentional change, and all production moving forward will be like this. I also think this is purely a cosmetic concern and that IR filtering is still present.
Grass is always greener. My Feb build probably has issues that current builds have resolved.
Sure feels like this is an intentional change, and all production moving forward will be like this. I also think this is purely a cosmetic concern and that IR filtering is still present.
Grass is always greener. My Feb build probably has issues that current builds have resolved.
Garlan Garner
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There are 2 fully admitted Tesla short sellers commenting in this thread and I have no intention of saying anything about them. One short-seller even met up with 6 TMC folks that I know of at the Westmont IL service center on Wednesday. After some strong conversation with the service center we were able to speak directly with the SR manager of quality control in Fremont.
He informed us that Tesla fully aware of the rear window color differences and that ALL customer support personnel have been educated as well.
I know a lot of people in TMC and privately chat with many of them.....some of them are staunch short-sellers desperately wanting Tesla to fail. They want this window to be a mistake that is going to TANK Tesla. I'm strong in my comments to them as they try to pull confidence out of current/potential Tesla customers.
I can't make people read some posts and not others, however what I can do is all I can to represent/defend TESLA every time these guys show up in threads misrepresenting the truth.
I do understand that the casual reader would consider my language harsh and curt, however behind the scenes.....
Anyway.....
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Even if it is a mistake how’s that going to tank Tesla and why would anyone think that?
Side question, do you go by magic8ball in the Tesla forum?
Garlan Garner
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Good question: LOL
No...lol...I've not frequented Teslas forum hardly at all. I believe I go by my whole name there as well. To answer your question though "NO I'm not magic8ball. I don't know who that is.
Ok. Ok. Ok. Ok.
So to get this straight. You have posted an average of 8 times a day for 2.5 years. Wrap your personal worth into both owning a Tesla ‘and’ having Tesla stock, to the point of wanting to call and tattle on service centers who go against your fantasy wishes, and with all of that - you don’t ever meander into the official Tesla forums?
Can we have our thread back now?
So to get this straight. You have posted an average of 8 times a day for 2.5 years. Wrap your personal worth into both owning a Tesla ‘and’ having Tesla stock, to the point of wanting to call and tattle on service centers who go against your fantasy wishes, and with all of that - you don’t ever meander into the official Tesla forums?
Can we have our thread back now?
As much as I appreciate the direct message to me telling me you’ve reported me, that doesn’t stop the fact that you are derailing any honest attempt to have this discussion on the forum.
And to answer your question - no. I’m not doing it for the clicks and likes. Good lord.
Edit: I enjoy the projection of “do you do it for the likes?” Followed by you disliking/liking just about everything.
Back on-topic: I’m excited to hear about what people report back with from Tesla proper. Interested to hear if any service delivery appointments come back with different glass than was delivered. Wondering if future sunroof glass is going to do away with the color tone, too, and we’re just in an inbetween phase.
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super20g
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Looks like service centers are now acknowledging the production change now. I assume the top glass will be replaced with the new revision as soon as stock runs out.
Here is what I got back from my service advisor:
"We have reached out to engineering in regards to the rear glass concern with the orange hue when wet, as we have seen the difference on the 3’s on our lot. There was a production change with the rear glass where they removed the IR reflection film from the glass was removed and this is what is causing the coloring change when wet. The new glass itself has the same thermal properties as the old one and is more absorptive."
Here is what I got back from my service advisor:
"We have reached out to engineering in regards to the rear glass concern with the orange hue when wet, as we have seen the difference on the 3’s on our lot. There was a production change with the rear glass where they removed the IR reflection film from the glass was removed and this is what is causing the coloring change when wet. The new glass itself has the same thermal properties as the old one and is more absorptive."
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ℬête Noire
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So if production luck/timing lead you to not have the "red magic" on the back, or fully covering the back, you'll not be able to get it via part replacement either. Well here's to hoping I somehow lucked out with mine getting matched with a stray tail end of the supply, but if not at least I'll have the roof which you're right could end up being more than some eventually get.
super20g
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One would hope that is legit... Someone will eventually test the glass with proper equipment I figure.
And you all that have and like the red IR coating film better be careful with your glass!!
ℬête Noire
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For me "more absorptive" translates to "less reflective", if they're maintaining the same performance (AKA same thermal properties), meaning they are relying more-so on absorption of incoming IR compared to prior. I'm out of my depth in explaining exactly how the water droplets caused the prior IR reflection to also reflect into the bottom end of the visible range, maybe someone can chime in on that.
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Some quick searching on the use of "absorptive" with respect to glass:
Absorptive Glass Neutral Density Filters | Antireflective coatings
Schott KG Heat Absorbing Glass | Edmund Optics
Optical Filter Glass: SCHOTT Advanced Optics | SCHOTT AG
So it sounds like if it is more absorptive of IR then it would be better.
I suspect that polarization plays a role. No polarization is advertised a feature of some optical filter glass.
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