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Sadly no... this is my biggest concern actually. Adding likely ~200hp and 200-300lbs of mass will absolutely require better brakes than the current Model 3's. I'm cautiously optimistic though and ordered anyways.Does the configurator say anything about better brakes for the performance version?
Sadly no... this is my biggest concern actually. Adding likely ~200hp and 200-300lbs of mass will absolutely require better brakes than the current Model 3's. I'm cautiously optimistic though and ordered anyways.
If that were the case why do Ferrari's, Porsche's, etc all have massive high performance brakes? Kinetic energy increases as a squared function of speed (i.e. a car moving 40mph has 4x the energy as a car moving 20mph). You NEED high power brakes as you increase power and make cars faster. You don't see Honda Civic sized brakes on any high performance cars for a reason.why would adding hp require better brakes? It's not like you're putting significant power to the wheels and braking at the same time
And short of a race track a lot better way to enhance actual real life performance would be to offer performance tires, not performance brakes.
If that were the case why do Ferrari's, Porsche's, etc all have massive high performance brakes?
Kinetic energy increases as a squared function of speed (i.e. a car moving 40mph has 4x the energy as a car moving 20mph). You NEED high power brakes as you increase power and make cars faster.
The performance models already come with performance tires.
A 200 hp car going 100 mph and an otherwise identical 1000 hp car going 100 mph both will stop in exactly the same distance when you slam on the same set of brakes (assuming all else like tires and road surface are equal)
Unless there is a assumption that high power cars will likely be driven at higher speeds, yes... But typical street driving, especially in bay area, where I am, speeds do not usually exceed much more than highway speeds. So I agree. No need for better brakes with higher performance.For Porsches it's because owners actually do drive them on tracks.
For Ferraris it's mainly marketing.
"big" brakes are useless in real life (non track) use.
Want proof?
Porsche sells a $10,000+ brake upgrade kit.
In a normal 60-0 panic stop guess how much it reduces the cars stopping distance?
0.00 feet.
The brakes don't stop the car- the tires do.
The only place that $10,000+ brake kit does anything besides look cool is heavy track use, not "real world" driving.
Ditto literally every single "big brake" kit on earth.
This is complete nonsense.
A 200 hp car going 100 mph and an otherwise identical 1000 hp car going 100 mph both will stop in exactly the same distance when you slam on the same set of brakes (assuming all else like tires and road surface are equal)
The cars "power" will impact how quickly it accelerates to 100 mph, but it is utterly irrelevant to braking.
Unless you meant "for when you're going over 140 and less than 155" since that's the only actual difference in ability to go fast between the two models... and outside of a track you're not gonna be doing that much (let alone needing to panic stop from that speed).
Does it? I didn't see that mentioned- what tires specifically? (and if you opt for smaller than 20s do you still get performance tires?)
Agreed, but as I plan on tracking my "performance" car, I highly prefer quality brakes. I would never buy a performance car just to drive around in city traffic, but some people buy sports cars for more superficial reasons unfortunately.Unless there is a assumption that high power cars will likely be driven at higher speeds, yes... But typical street driving, especially in bay area, where I am, speeds do not usually exceed much more than highway speeds. So I agree. No need for better brakes with higher performance.
You're getting a little too upset and not understanding. A car with 1000hp is going to be spending much more time at higher speeds than a car with 200hp.
Of course they will both stop in the same distance at 100mph, that's not what we're talking about. As power increases so does average speed
. If you don't believe me go put Kia brakes on a Bugatti with high performance tires and see how well that works out for you.
As for the rest of what you said, I don't have time to argue about opinions with strangers on the internet
. And the performance models come with Michelin Pilot Sport 4S tires from the factory, same as always.
I don't care about the other 99%. I track my performance cars, end of story. Have a good night.I mean... for 99.9% of them? No, they really won't.
I don't care about the other 99%. I track my performance cars, end of story.
Adding likely ~200hp and 200-300lbs of mass will absolutely require better brakes than the current Model 3's
Have a good night.
Can you have them extend your lease by a few more months? Just explain you're buying a 3. Seems like it should be a no-brainer for them.Also..delivery est is 3-4 months?! My S lease has one month left. grr
Exactly, thank you.I've been on a lot of car forums in my life, but this is the FIRST time I've seen people try to argue that you don't need better brakes on the performance version of a car.
With every other car it's EXPECTED unless the base car happened to have really good brakes.
Is it because they are tracked? Yep
Is it because of specmanship? Yep
Is it really going to impact day to day use on the street? Not a whole lot.
Personally I do think the performance version should have better braking. Where it's not just the brakes, but the combination of the brakes/tires/system. It should be similar in performance to an M3 if not better.
I probably won't get the P version because it's my understanding that it doesn't have anything that a person would expect to come with a performance model.
It doesn't have better suspension
It doesn't have better brakes
It doesn't have better seats
There isn't a whole lot that's added for over 20K more. That's a lot of dough to go a little quicker in a straight line. We also don't know it's track performance so it's hard to justify the extra money especially when the AWD non-performance one is plenty quick.
White is exclusive to performance version for now.Did anyone order dual motor (not performance) with white interior?
Just wondering if they allow that yet.