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Hearing about the D just 9 days after taking delivery of P85+ merits a switch!!!

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Okay, I have read every post in this thread. I am affected by this issue, and I am a little disappointed, so I think I can bring some honesty and insight into this thread. I ordered my car on September 6 and I was supposed to get it in late November. I was happy to see that there were several mid-year changes that I benefitted from. The black headliner with the padding on the dash is very nice, and was recently "enabled" for ordering. I later found out that I got the recently redesigned turn signal/cruise control/wiper controls. This is good since the car I drove on the test drive had the old design and I was constantly flicking the wrong stick. In any event a few days after ordering the car, I noticed that the website said that customers that bought the P version of the car might get preferential delivery treatment, so I called my sales advisor and asked about a faster delivery. 72 hours later my status changed from end of November to end of September. I was THRILLED and THANKFUL. It turns out that the benefit of buying the enhanced P version of the car which is supposed to be rewarded with a faster delivery, turned out to be a very bad benefit. I had no way of knowing and neither did my owner advisor. I will start by saying that I love the car. I work in technology (semiconductors) and love all manner of gadgets and options. I ordered my car with just about every option (Performance version, nice pearl white metallic paint, upgraded turbine 19" rims, enhanced lighting, sound system upgrade, cold weather package, pano-roof, and of course the mandatory technology package). I would LOVE to have the auto-drive options, even though I might not use them that much. For one thing I would play with them as they are very cool and I would love to see the technology evolve, secondly there will be constant software upgrades that will always focus on these features and I will miss out on all of that fun. I will also miss out on testing the upgrades and options and providing feedback (I like to beta test things and I always provide owner feedback). That bums me out. I missed the upgrades by 1 day!! I called my sales advisor and told him that I loved my new car and that I was honestly not interested in the D version at this time. I just do not want air suspension and 21" rims (that is why I did not order the P85+ and simply got the P85). I was told to list my car on Craig's list and Ebay as there may be folks that want a car ASAP and do not want to wait and will pay me the ~$117k I have into the car. I have already installed a killer JL audio amp and subwoofer as well as an Escort 9500CI with laser shifters (about $4500 in upgrades) along with some nice 35% tinting for the sides and back window. The install is SUPER clean and very stealthy. For his part my sales advisor said he would check to see what he might be able to do about a trade-in. I only have 350 miles on the car. I have stewed on this for several days and have come to the conclusion that anyone who is bummed out like me has the right to be disappointed. I don't think a petition is warranted simply because I have faith that Tesla, in general, is trying to do the right thing. Much much more than any regular car company (no comparison). I think that the D option represents a major model change and therefore there should not be much complaining from anyone who wished they had ordered the "D". Perhaps a slight rebate from Tesla on the order of $5k for P85+ owners that were within 60 days, but that is just an over the top nice thing to do and is in no way something I would expect if I were a P85+ owner. Where I think that Tesla may have dropped the ball is that these features represent an important part of the future of driving and is a lot more important than a second motor or more horsepower. I, and I suppose many others, bought their Tesla because they like technology and want to be part of the next generation of cars. Pilotless driving is one of those technologies. Tesla should absolutely have an upgrade path for all owners of the S model. The option should be offered with as little profit markup as possible. For older owners (like 2012 and early 2013) they might have to pay most of the cost of a $5k to $10k upgrade, for people like me maybe I might only pay 10% or 20% of the cost to upgrade. The bottom line is that I would not expect to have a way to get the latest thing that makes the car faster or handle better, but an upgrade like all of these sensors is a MAJOR enhancement. I just want a way to participate in a type of technology that is exceedingly important. I think I could create some analogies like, if Tesla just came out with a slight battery compartment change on newer cars that would allow new owners to immediately start performing battery swaps at newly disclosed batter swap locations, I would not be happy if there was not an affordable way for me to enjoy such a major change to the car that I missed by a matter of days. yes I am willing to pay something for my bad timing, but I still want to be able to "play". In the end if I get nothing, I can live with it and I would not begrudge the Tesla company or other luckier owners.

Very well put. If his had happened to be I certainly would be disappointed too but trying to find a solution or a path forward definitely is the right way to go.
 
I just bought a used 2013 Model S -- without even all the bells and whistles available when the car was new -- because it's the best I can afford. It doesn't have all the latest cool stuff, and I'll never be able to afford the latest. The best I can hope for is to pimp out a new Model 3 when it comes out in two or three years. By then, a lot of the cool tech available now, but not necessarily everything, will be included and/or available as options. I accept that I can't afford the latest and greatest in the current high end models.

So for that reason I am astounded to hear people complain about how their new top of the line $127K car isn't top of the line enough. People who would have spent a little more to get an even higher end top of the line car. Really??? Looking at this from the view point of someone who has to pinch pennies to own a Tesla, everyone who complains about not getting more for free, or not being afforded the opportunity to get to spend even more on their $120K+ car, you all look like spoiled brats. "I want what he has, blah, blah, blah..." Good grief. Suck it up.

Haha, well said.
 
Here's another way to look at the P85+ dilemma. Tesla is constantly making improvements to their cars at the assembly line level. Most of these changes go by unnoticed, and owners are unaware of most of them. By taking delivery of a P85+ now, you are receiving a car that has had the benefit of over a year of production and numerous assembly line updates. You are also receiving a car that prior to last week was the fastest, most advanced electric production car in the world.

Taking delivery of a P85D during its first few months of production is not without risk. The D has a significant amount of new hardware on board, and while Tesla has no-doubt been testing mule vehicles for months, there is a very real possibility that the D will receive mechanical updates as production moves forward and real-world driving brings issues to light. Tesla is remarkably quick at responding to issues and implementing changes, but some changes may not be physically possible on cars that are already built.
 
My Model S was built around Sept 15th and I paid $140k for it - P85+ with all possible options available at that time. What is pissing me off is that Tesla is simply discriminating certain number of people by hiding ( not disclosing ) the information about the sensors for Autopilot etc enhancements and started including those for no charge to others that have ordered a Tesla exactly like mine!
They knew very well months ahead that they will start including those sensors in the cars starting end of September, but they didn't issue a statement or anything else to new buyers that starting as of XX date cars will be built with some additional options.
They could've kept their "secret" to some extend, but at least alert buyers that they have a choice to enter in production later then sooner. They haven't given us any choice and now I own a car that I paid $140k for and because of this discriminatory and shady practices by Tesla management my car is probably worth way less. Why are you giving the sensors to some people ordering NOT a dual motor, but a regular Model S and not to everybody? That is simply very wrong. Any talks I had today with Tesla service center and their Sales Store didn't help and every Tesla employee is simply stating: "No one told us that this was coming. We were completely unaware as well." That tells me one thing .. Elon Musk and Tesla management is screwing not only their customers, but their employees as well. This is just a bad bad thing they did.


I am open to start a CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT against Tesla and I will not be shy to spend several hundred thousands dollars to get justice! Some of you may say " just buy the D if you have extra money to spend, but NO I'd rather spend it against Tesla for playing people around!

If anyone is interested in CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT please contact me at montauto at gmail
 
They knew very well months ahead that they will start including those sensors in the cars starting end of September...

You know no such thing.

...my car is probably worth way less.

'Probably' isn't 'probably' strong enough to win any kind of a lawsuit. You have the burden of proof.

Why are you giving the sensors to some people ordering NOT a dual motor, but a regular Model S and not to everybody?

Giving some customers 'freebies' isn't against the law and didn't affect you.

Elon Musk and Tesla management is screwing not only their customers...

The contract between you and Tesla was fulfilled. You didn't get screwed.

I will not be shy to spend several hundred thousands dollars to get justice! Some of you may say " just buy the D if you have extra money to spend, but NO I'd rather spend it against Tesla for playing people around!

How very sad, petty, and vindictive.
 
My Model S was built around Sept 15th and I paid $140k for it - P85+ with all possible options available at that time. What is pissing me off is that Tesla is simply discriminating certain number of people by hiding ( not disclosing ) the information about the sensors for Autopilot etc enhancements and started including those for no charge to others that have ordered a Tesla exactly like mine!
They knew very well months ahead that they will start including those sensors in the cars starting end of September, but they didn't issue a statement or anything else to new buyers that starting as of XX date cars will be built with some additional options.
They could've kept their "secret" to some extend, but at least alert buyers that they have a choice to enter in production later then sooner. They haven't given us any choice and now I own a car that I paid $140k for and because of this discriminatory and shady practices by Tesla management my car is probably worth way less. Why are you giving the sensors to some people ordering NOT a dual motor, but a regular Model S and not to everybody? That is simply very wrong. Any talks I had today with Tesla service center and their Sales Store didn't help and every Tesla employee is simply stating: "No one told us that this was coming. We were completely unaware as well." That tells me one thing .. Elon Musk and Tesla management is screwing not only their customers, but their employees as well. This is just a bad bad thing they did.


I am open to start a CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT against Tesla and I will not be shy to spend several hundred thousands dollars to get justice! Some of you may say " just buy the D if you have extra money to spend, but NO I'd rather spend it against Tesla for playing people around!

If anyone is interested in CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT please contact me at montauto at gmail

Good luck with the class action. If it happened with Tesla it sets precedent for every other company creating consumer products (Apple would be screwed) lol. You also do realize Autopilot isn't available for a few months so... it's essentially at the typical life cycle of the car. You knew what you were purchasing and paid for it. The deal is done.
 
My Model S was built around Sept 15th and I paid $140k for it - P85+ with all possible options available at that time. What is pissing me off is that Tesla is simply discriminating certain number of people by hiding ( not disclosing ) the information about the sensors for Autopilot etc enhancements and started including those for no charge to others that have ordered a Tesla exactly like mine!
They knew very well months ahead that they will start including those sensors in the cars starting end of September, but they didn't issue a statement or anything else to new buyers that starting as of XX date cars will be built with some additional options.
They could've kept their "secret" to some extend, but at least alert buyers that they have a choice to enter in production later then sooner. They haven't given us any choice and now I own a car that I paid $140k for and because of this discriminatory and shady practices by Tesla management my car is probably worth way less. Why are you giving the sensors to some people ordering NOT a dual motor, but a regular Model S and not to everybody? That is simply very wrong. Any talks I had today with Tesla service center and their Sales Store didn't help and every Tesla employee is simply stating: "No one told us that this was coming. We were completely unaware as well." That tells me one thing .. Elon Musk and Tesla management is screwing not only their customers, but their employees as well. This is just a bad bad thing they did.


I am open to start a CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT against Tesla and I will not be shy to spend several hundred thousands dollars to get justice! Some of you may say " just buy the D if you have extra money to spend, but NO I'd rather spend it against Tesla for playing people around!

If anyone is interested in CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT please contact me at montauto at gmail

You will be eaten alive here by the "fanboys" and "investors" who do not understand the meaning of "satisfied customer" and the purpose of customer service. I agree with you 100% btw, but it is a lost clause to argue here. Let's stay in touch outside this forum.
 
You will be eaten alive here by the "fanboys" and "investors" who do not understand the meaning of "satisfied customer" and the purpose of customer service.

Entirely unfair comment. Some of those fanboys and investors have been hardest on Tesla. They have the greatest understanding of Tesla, on all levels, having been interested and involved in all things Tesla from the beginning. Because of them, Tesla has made changes through the years.
 
This is one of the dumbest things I've ever read on this forum... and I've read the thread about "how many alternators," so, that's saying something...

Im really surprised at how surprised everyone is about the awd S. The specs were leaked back in April? on reddit. My next tesla will be bought right after they announce larger batteries further S or there is a new roadster.
 
My Model S was built around Sept 15th and I paid $140k for it - P85+ with all possible options available at that time. What is pissing me off is that Tesla is simply discriminating certain number of people by hiding ( not disclosing ) the information about the sensors for Autopilot etc enhancements and started including those for no charge to others that have ordered a Tesla exactly like mine!
They knew very well months ahead that they will start including those sensors in the cars starting end of September, but they didn't issue a statement or anything else to new buyers that starting as of XX date cars will be built with some additional options.
They could've kept their "secret" to some extend, but at least alert buyers that they have a choice to enter in production later then sooner. They haven't given us any choice and now I own a car that I paid $140k for and because of this discriminatory and shady practices by Tesla management my car is probably worth way less. Why are you giving the sensors to some people ordering NOT a dual motor, but a regular Model S and not to everybody? That is simply very wrong. Any talks I had today with Tesla service center and their Sales Store didn't help and every Tesla employee is simply stating: "No one told us that this was coming. We were completely unaware as well." That tells me one thing .. Elon Musk and Tesla management is screwing not only their customers, but their employees as well. This is just a bad bad thing they did.


I am open to start a CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT against Tesla and I will not be shy to spend several hundred thousands dollars to get justice! Some of you may say " just buy the D if you have extra money to spend, but NO I'd rather spend it against Tesla for playing people around!

If anyone is interested in CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT please contact me at montauto at gmail

Have you read your purchase contract? I would be willing to bet that there is language in it that gives Tesla the right to improve its products without prior notice to customers in the order queue. Case closed.

What Tesla has done is to equip some vehicles with new hardware ahead of the actual announcement of those features. To me, it appears that they've gone above and beyond what one would reasonably expect.
 
I am open to start a CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT against Tesla and I will not be shy to spend several hundred thousands dollars to get justice! Some of you may say " just buy the D if you have extra money to spend, but NO I'd rather spend it against Tesla for playing people around!
We have a word for people like you.
Forum rules do not allow me to write it out for you see.
 
My Model S was built around Sept 15th and I paid $140k for it - P85+ with all possible options available at that time. What is pissing me off is that Tesla is simply discriminating certain number of people by hiding ( not disclosing ) the information about the sensors for Autopilot etc enhancements and started including those for no charge to others that have ordered a Tesla exactly like mine!
They knew very well months ahead that they will start including those sensors in the cars starting end of September, but they didn't issue a statement or anything else to new buyers that starting as of XX date cars will be built with some additional options.
They could've kept their "secret" to some extend, but at least alert buyers that they have a choice to enter in production later then sooner. They haven't given us any choice and now I own a car that I paid $140k for and because of this discriminatory and shady practices by Tesla management my car is probably worth way less. Why are you giving the sensors to some people ordering NOT a dual motor, but a regular Model S and not to everybody? That is simply very wrong. Any talks I had today with Tesla service center and their Sales Store didn't help and every Tesla employee is simply stating: "No one told us that this was coming. We were completely unaware as well." That tells me one thing .. Elon Musk and Tesla management is screwing not only their customers, but their employees as well. This is just a bad bad thing they did.


I am open to start a CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT against Tesla and I will not be shy to spend several hundred thousands dollars to get justice! Some of you may say " just buy the D if you have extra money to spend, but NO I'd rather spend it against Tesla for playing people around!

If anyone is interested in CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT please contact me at montauto at gmail

How about spending several thousand dollars to sell your car at a slight loss and get the one you want? I've mentioned this before but I waited 3.5 years for my car . How long did you wait? They had to know they were planning on making your car (P85+) when my P85 was released but they didn't say anything. They came out with the + 6 months later.

I quote Ferris Bueller :
Life moves pretty fast. If you don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

Must be a great way to live life and spend your money going after companies like this for trivial things.
 
I was referring to the class action thing as the dumbest thing I've ever heard, not people's surprise at the AWD S.... which should have been no surprise at all anyway.

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Actually... I'll go further and say that if this guy actually thinks he'll get anywhere with this class action nonsense and pursues it with any limited amout of success getting it moved forward, I'll order another P85D to help offset Tesla's legal costs in utilizing the legal fly swatter here.
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Just on general principal because I really hate frivolous lawsuits.
 
Have you read your purchase contract? I would be willing to bet that there is language in it that gives Tesla the right to improve its products without prior notice to customers in the order queue. Case closed.

What Tesla has done is to equip some vehicles with new hardware ahead of the actual announcement of those features. To me, it appears that they've gone above and beyond what one would reasonably expect.

Exactly. A class action will go nowhere because the terms of the purchase contract have been met. No one has the right to sue Tesla for not getting features that came out AFTER you purchased. The thought is such is ludicrous. What planet do people live on??

Honestly this is what just really pisses me off about today's society. Today everybody expects to the world to revolve around them. "ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME". Why can't people just be happy and take responsibility for things and just be happy with what they got? Talk about being self-centered and materialistic. Grow up peoples.
 
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I am open to start a CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT against Tesla and I will not be shy to spend several hundred thousands dollars to get justice! Some of you may say " just buy the D if you have extra money to spend, but NO I'd rather spend it against Tesla for playing people around!

If anyone is interested in CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT please contact me at montauto at gmail

So, let me get this straight. You are threatening to file a lawsuit not only on your behalf but on the behalf of others claiming that you got exactly what you ordered and paid for and nothing more?

LOL