camalaio
Active Member
Sure - going 75-80 dropped it to probably 23-25 mpg, but normal daily driving where my commute was 80% hwy at 60-70mph, I only had to fill up a 10 gallon tank about once per week and no, I wasn't sitting there for 15 minutes LOL.
For Teslas, you're lucky if you get the max speed at superchargers (which, btw destroys your batteries) and you have to sit there for over an hour just to go from say 10% to 90%. And that's if you're lucky that a supercharger is anywhere near where you live, anywhere near your destination. For gas stations you pull over, it's 5 minutes fueling time pretty much any city/any town/anywhere in the country.
The fact is, these cars really are very inconvenient in 2020. Yes, if you have a set up where you can plug in over night at home, that's great. But what if you forget? Then it's hours of waiting in the middle of the day or likely driving out of your way to supercharge for 20-30 minutes.
Also, back on this same phantom drain topic, really kills the whole "SO MUCH CHEAPER THAN ICE!!!!!!!!" conversation. My LR M3 AWD is getting something like 50 usable kwh and that takes me 150 miles. Where I live, gas in 1.70/gallon and electricity is like 10-12 cents a kwh (depending on the rate)...knowing that 1) it takes me 100kwh to actually go 300 miles, that's around $10.00, not including the fact that you actually lose energy while charging that's not transferred into the car. So throw another 20-30% on there and all of a sudden, you are at $12-13. How about some wind? probably another $2-3.
My gf's prius gets a legit 40-50mpg, with a 7-8 gallon tank that she fills every 8-9 days and it costs her what? $14-16?
There are just a lot of promises with EVs and their abilities and I don't believe consumers are aware that they are very misleading. With all that being said, I love the drivetrain of the car. I've fine with paying a premium to drive it each mile (even with electricity supposedly cheaper) I love no sounds or shaking...but only getting 150 miles on 80% of the battery is f-ing awful and I wouldn't buy again knowing that.
Not too long ago on this forum, you'd be darn near tarred and feathered for such blasphemies! I only slightly jest.
Your points are entirely valid. In the 13 months we've owned the car, we've forgot to plug it in overnight about 4 times or so. 3 of those were plan-altering mistakes since everywhere we go is at least 45km away, and not necessarily with any sort of fast charger around. Even with habits, sometimes you just get home absolutely beat and it skips your mind. Or you have full hands and forget to come back. Avoidable, absolutely, but happens. Unless you have an extremely flexible life, it's hard to be OK with needing to charge for at least 2 hours before you can go on with your day.
And your point about costs is spot on. Even with my relatively expensive gas (CAD$1.30/L at the time, about USD$3.62/gal) and cheap electricity (average $0.12/kWh), it's hard to justify the price premium even after many years. With gas as cheap as you get it, there's no contest. ICE wins in terms of long term costs there.
I really do hope something happens to force clarity on all this for EVs in the future, and infrastructure adapts to having always-charging cars (outlets everywhere?).