SageBrush
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You must have a couple v3 superchargers wired in series.
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How much does your electricity cost?
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golfpilot
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sperkin
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Yep! Mine is 13 cents super off peak but losing the credits makes charging the same as a Prius per mile wise if I charge both cars.
Soon it may be more as we’re grandfathered in for 2 years. TOU-Prime doesn’t offer credits so electricity will cost more. Even if Super Off peak is cheap. It’s the lose of credit that matters. After 750kw there is no credit so charging 2 cars doesn’t make sense.
Charging 1 car seems best at keeping my bills at $35. 2 cars become $150. Both cars drives about 20k miles a year.
MidwestM3P
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The anti-home-solar TV ads and proposed Iowa legislation are definitely MidAmerican’s doing, as Warren Buffett explicitly told all his shareholders at last year’s annual BRK shareholder meeting (I watched it live on Yahoo) that he planned to maintain his utility company's monopoly by significantly raising the cost to those with home solar. When asked if/why he supported renewable energy, Mr Buffett was blunt that MidAmerican was building so much wind in Iowa (6 GW by 2020) for one primary reason - for the $5 Billion in tax credits (so he could pay that much LESS in taxes, in spite of always complaining that he wishes he could pay higher taxes!). World’s Greatest HypocriteMr Buffett doesn’t care about the environmental benefits of solar; he just wants to maintain his energy monopoly and all the profits for himself/BRK.
As an owner of home solar who has scrutinized the costs and benefits of my panels and the potential of adding Powerwall2s (in lieu of net metering with the utility), my $50k investment would have a payback of NEVER if I didn’t have net metering. The grid is essential because the vast majority of home solar electricity is produced during peak daytime hours when homeowners are at work, and batteries are still far too expensive (to store all my excess energy by day to be used at night would cost me well more than the $50k I already spent, and the warranty by Tesla is only 10-years). Besides, MidAmerican greatly benefits from my peak energy going to my neighbors’ homes via net metering because they avoid producing the most expensive energy that’s in tight supply every afternoon, while then giving back nighttime energy when excess electricity (from minimum load nuclear and also their wind that blows strongest at nighttime) is abundant (often causing wholesale grid energy prices to go negative...meaning MidAmerican may otherwise have to PAY the grid operator (MISO) to take the super-off-peak electricity (that instead is charging our EVs while we all sleep). Solar is definitely win-win for all. Buffett is simply putting his greed over the environment; he has no shame. I know first hand, as my wife and I worked a combined 60 years for MidAmerican and I got to see behind the Wizard’s curtain...it isn’t pretty seeing how they’ve strategized to kill solar before it ever took off.
As my bell curve chart shows, a recent perfect solar day produced 105 kWh, yet my home only uses about 1 kWh per hour in real-time. So from 8am to 7pm I needed the grid to “store” (net meter) all but 11 kWh, which on this day amounted to 94 kWh. Without net metering, I’d have needed at least 7 PW2s! That simply makes no economic sense. What makes sense is a free loan of valuable PEAK electricity that MidAmerican can sell to my neighbors for twice the price, while then repaying those same kWh of super-off-peak nighttime energy from wind turbines (which also earns Mr Buffett his $5 Billion in Production Tax Credits).
Good info, thanks. Well, the bill didn't make it through the Iowa legislature last night so it's off the table until at least next year when they'll crank up the misleading ads again. But probably even more misleading and more widespread.
sperkin
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That is monthly usage. I get money back from SCE if I used under 750kw. More money if I’m under 500kw; which I can do if I only charge 1 car. Charging both cars puts me over 750kw so my bill shoots up to $150 from $35.
SageBrush
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I have a 10kW Solar system on my shop (behind our house). it costs me $0.00 per kWh and it costs me $0.00 per mile peak, off peak, day, night weekends, weekdays...Ahhhhhhh.......
Dr. J
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destructure00
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RayK
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Here in San Jose, CA I've had solar since Nov. 2010. It's a fairly small system with 20 panels generating around 3.5kW peak power. As such I've been on the E6 time-of-use metering plan from PG&E. Assuming I charge only during off-peak hours, and skip getting free charging at work, that works out to $0.185 (summer) to $0.19 (winter) per kWh at the current baseline rates. Over baseline, rate goes up an additional $0.08/kWh.
StealthP3D
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My gas bill used to take a big hit in cold weather. And if you're "short tripping" and warming up/defrosting before you drive it gets even worse. We only pay $0.11/kW (flat rate 24/7) and it's so cheap to keep our two Model 3's charged and ready to go, any cold weather hit is still very happy.
StealthP3D
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Cheapest gas around here is at Costco but they just raised the price of regular to $3.25/gallon. But it's still the cheapest I've found for many miles. I don't care if it goes to $5/gallon even though that would hurt to fill up the dual 18-gallon tanks in our F-150 we hardly ever drive it anymore with two Model 3's.
StealthP3D
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Not saying I am unhappy ,but it still is something glossed over too much.
The ICE economy hit is peanuts compared to EV, never had an ICE double or even triple energy use. As I said my S with a 45mph 7 mile drive can be 270wh/m at 60-70 degrees but if sub-zero hits 800 during my drive and will fall back to maybe 730 by the time I get there if I neglect to preheat.
My truck that gets 17mpg in summer does not fall to 6mpg in winter, more like 15, I barely drive it, won't take it unless we are getting 6" or more snow. That is how much I love the Tesla, long as it is not dragging the battery I choose my rwd car over a 4wd truck even in winter.
SleeperService
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Marginal cost: 11.76 cents/kWh (including taxes), total average cost last month: 14.25 cents/kWh (includes meter fee and I purchase a fixed number of solar credits [not priced per kWh] from my supplier).
about half what the M3 cost, and it's paid for and the break even point will be achieved in about 9 months!
destructure00
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A little bit off-topic but I was quite surprised that my scurried driving through rush hour traffic going home last night brought my efficiency way "down" to 324 wH/mi.
First time I'd ever noticed I was burning that much electricity.
Lots of stop & instant on to get away from the crazies.
But my "exhorbitant" home charge pricing of $0.13/kWh gets me about $0.042/ mile. vs. ICE @ $0.085/ mile.
