How to avoid a runaway condition

[davidslagle]

I guess my last point is if your wife or daughter was driving during an emergency condition, you all have instructed them on what they should do to avoid a catastrophe. If not, I guess this subject isn't really important to YOU.

 

[bonnie]

I guess my last point is if your wife or daughter was driving during an emergency condition, you all have instructed them on what they should do to avoid a catastrophe. If not, I guess this subject isn't really important to YOU.

Oh thank god there are men in this world to instruct women what to do. #eyeroll #Iguessyoudontcareaboutyourson

 

[ecarfan]

What if it was hacked?

Your posts are taking a turn towards the paranoid. Every car built today is chock full of microprocessors, meaning "computers". In theory any car can be "hacked". Perhaps you should avoid being in cars.

Thank you Bonnie for your very helpful posts.

 

[kort677]

Does anyone on here have a job or do they are they replying on company time?

how people spend their time is really none of your business.
if you took the time to read the manual many of these inane questions would have been answered.

 

[mspohr]

How about computer meltdown, I talking emergency. 100MPH and it goes in to neutral and slams on the brakes, what a ride that would be. Computer meltdown means all bets are off.

Computer meltdown probably means that nothing would work. Everything would stop.
Your hypothetical posits that the computer meltdown would leave the motor control circuits intact and functioning but disable everything else.
I think we've wasted enough time on this thread. If the car is "out of control", just press the brakes.
I talking sense.

 

[BluestarE3]

Oh thank god there are men in this world to instruct women what to do. #eyeroll #Iguessyoudontcareaboutyourson

I'm not up on all the latest vernacular, but I assume this what's meant by "mansplaining"? And also "Dadsplaining" in the context of the OP?

 

[bonnie]

I'm not up on all the latest vernacular, but I assume this what's meant by "mansplaining"? And also "Dadsplaining" in the context of the OP?

Hahah! Quit reading my thought bubbles!

 

[BluestarE3]

 

[McRat]

This is very much like a 20 year old debate that occurred when cars switched to PCMs and 'fly-by-wire' accelerators.

Truth is that prior to digital controls, runaway cars were a very real thing. Throttle plate could freeze, or be blocked from shutting, switches could fuse in the ON position, cables could seize or kink, etc.

Redundant sensors and 'dead man' powertrain control coding pretty much eliminated actual runaway in car. Bikes still can though.

 

[bonnie]

Does anyone on here have a job or do they are they replying on company time? I own my own company and my family is important unlike yours obviously. Most of the replies so far have been from idiots that don't know much of anything so running their mouth is what they do. I'll get my question answered by someone with the authority to give an answer instead of asking the idiots on here. The Tesla forum sucks because of its members.

A little bit of critical thinking on your part might have led you to the conclusion that most Tesla owners are successful in their chosen field. Plenty of self-made wealth on this forum. I've found members to smart, funny, impassioned.

You show up and decide that only you are capable of thinking of the tough questions and only you care about your family. And you insult everyone. Shocker that you've received pushback.

 

[xyeahtony]

last i checked the accelerator will not work if the brake is pressed

 

[MarcusMaximus]

Completely agree, the original person asked a reasonable question. We know that it was a reasonable question because there is an reasonable answer, which was given in post #2, which is where this thread should have ended, instead people decided to be rude / mean to the person who responded and then we got stuck in a cycle of garbage... Which basically included people with 1,000's of posts involved in name calling with a newish member. Wow, what a community.

I'd note that, reading through again, the first comment I can see that could be at all considered rude would be around #14, after the OP altered the original question to include the computer "melting down", losing the brakes and then being hacked. At that point, he was trying as hard as possible to posit a situation where the user has no possible controls of any kind(even though, given the mechanisms involved, the situation doesn't make sense).

Maybe that was an honest attempt to gather information on what the user can do. But it looks a heck of a lot like trying to set up a fatalist situation and then blame Tesla, specifically, for not being able to handle the impossible to handle event. I can't really blame people for coming to that conclusion, given the interaction involved.

 

[bmah]

Perhaps before posting any further to this thread, each of us should take a figurative step back and consider whether a reply would, at this point, serve any constructive purpose. The answers to the original questions were posted hours ago.

Peace,

Bruce.

 

[Doug_G]

Moved some (a lot of) posts to snippiness

Personal attacks are not permitted.

 

[DarkMatter]

I'm not up on all the latest vernacular, but I assume this what's meant by "mansplaining"? And also "Dadsplaining" in the context of the OP?

This isn't quite "mansplaining", just close to it. Thankfully Bonnie had a great response. Also I did not expect this thread to get so vitriolic and am glad the mods stepped in. The original post seemed genuinely worried and just in need of reassurance, so the wandering off that happened after was a surprise to me. I hope anyone reading this thread in the future takes away the key points: read the manual on any fly by wire car as this stuff isn't standard yet, and a Tesla can stop with ever more force than it can go. Seriously it's worth a try somewhere safe if you've never tried a full panic stop. It's crazy how fast modern cars can stop with a full application of the left pedal.

 

[Swift]

What should I do in an emergency with the computer operated elevators in my 80 floor office building when I'm riding down to the garage to get to my Toyota? Any advice?

Hit the big red button.

But what if the red button doesn't work? ;p

 

[dandelot]

I would hope everyone would try the brakes first but what if it didn't stop accelerating. The brakes would be short lived. Just looking to help everyone know what to do in that case. I mentioned neutral and that appears to be the best answer so far.

I think you need to prove that the brakes would be short lived. That is a dramatic statement
and I simply don't believe it.

 

[S4WRXTTCS]

Hook up a USB keyboard, and hit the break key?

 

[BluestarE3]

Hook up a USB keyboard, and hit the break key?

But what if your typing at 100 WPM and the keyboard brakes?

 

[brkaus]

I have a feeling that this thread is the runaway condition...

But yes, the brakes should be the first step. Give it a try on an ICE that doesn't have the fail safe. It works on my truck with Cummings diesel worth of torque.