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I tested this morning. I looked at the bottom of my screen when engaging FSD Beta, and indeed my car gave me "Pay Attention" with an alert tone, and the top of the screen flashed blue for a moment, but immediately stopped as I looked forward. Not a normal behavior as I'm always looking forward when engaging.
I got this to happen a couple times. Was afraid to be too adventurous due to possibility of a strike.I’ll have to try again. I tried twice. Looking at my lap. I looked up about one second after engagement.
If they took prior behavior into account then I doubt there would be a problem. This behavior smacks of a simple bug stemming from how they manage the distraction data. It might have been that they always kept that data up to date, regardless of whether the system was running. But they made an "optimization" to stop updating if the system isn't active. That means that when the system is activated, they have to start collecting data. What's the only available data after engaging? The driver is looking at the screen. He's distracted. Better nag him.So it is really a front-loaded check, taking place after engagement, but it is possible it does take into account behavior just prior to engagement - not sure about that.
DirtyTesla mentioned that when he engages FSD, he immediately looks at the speed setting, so he always gets the instant nag now. I can imagine that some people have gotten into the habit of looking for the steering wheel icon going blue. I don't look at the screen after activating, so I've never gotten that nag and was surprised when people talked about it.I guess people know they aren’t paying any attention and want extra safety!
It happens on cars with no interior camera as well. We may be overthinking this - might simply be 3 seconds after FSD is engaged alone.What's the only available data after engaging? The driver is looking at the screen. He's distracted. Better nag him.
I can’t get this nag looking at the speed. My head has to be angled downwards more. May be dependent on driving position and how much you move your head down (for example if you wear non-progressive reading glasses you might tilt your head down more as you engage to read the speed).DirtyTesla mentioned that when he engages FSD, he immediately looks at the speed setting, so he always gets the instant nag now.
This pretty sums up why the new rules were put in place, and why you are getting strikes.
It's not just you my car does the same thing. I was on the 101 as well, heading to Portland and did not make past Slo before getting three warnings. I have never gotten FSD to work for long on road trips.On my last drive north on highway 101 from Santa Barbara to the SF Bay Area I got 3 strikes. The third one especially seemed completely unfair. By that point, I was very focused on not loosing the use of autopilot for the drive. I had two hands on the wheel and was staring straight ahead at the road except for glancing at the screen as a warning gradually escalated to a strike despite the fact that I was doing everything I could to prevent that. I am really experienced with use of autopilot. We have a Model 3 with FSD that I have been driving extensively since 2018 and a 2023 Model Y with basic autopilot, which is what I was driving north on 101 when I got the 3 strikes last week. I know all (or most) of the normal things to prevent strikes (torque the steering wheel a bit to one side, use the scroll wheel, and, recently, look ahead at the road.) I have been using autopilot extensively for the last five years to make my 250 mile drives easier and I hate being timed out for a week. Any advice is most welcome.
(More specifics about me. I do like to eat while I drive. My typical strike rate for the last 5 years has been about 1 strike per 300 miles. So I am not perfect, but I have always managed to work with the system in the past, and to balance my wish to do stuff like eating while I drive, with the car's wish for me to torque the steering wheel a bit to one side. I am trying to figure out how to work with the system now and a little spooked by getting the third strike that I did not understand even while I was fully concentrating on my driving.
It is helpful if you post details in a signature line with your model of car and software version. It makes a HUGE difference when people respond to you because there a subtle changes in models and in software versions making responses helpful or useless.autosteer vs autopilot vs fsd
its a bit confusing i just find out that our model 2023 are with autosteer
110 % agree with you every word in your post is thrue.It is helpful if you post details in a signature line with your model of car and software version. It makes a HUGE difference when people respond to you because there a subtle changes in models and in software versions making responses helpful or useless.
In the meantime, you need to read and understand this page:
Autopilot and Full Self-Driving Capability | Tesla Support
Autopilot is an advanced driver assistance system that enhances safety and convenience behind the wheel. When used properly, Autopilot reduces your overall workload as a driver. Learn more about Autopilot.www.tesla.com
It will help you understand that Autopilot (a marketing name, NOT an accurate description of the feature), is made up of traffic aware cruise control (TACC) and Autosteer (which keeps your car in the lane.) All teslas now come with this.
Enhanced Autopilot adds some additional stuff to that (but those last three features are currently not working on new cars because.... tesla is happy to sell you promises, not working features.)
Full Self Driving (FSD) is another marketing name and not an accurate description of the feature and is currently in beta mode.
There is no hands-free or eyes-free 'driving' with a tesla. You are always required to have hands on the wheel providing torque and your eyes cannot be determined by the interior camera, which is ill placed for this task, to be not looking down either at the screen or at a phone.
If you wanted a car that allows for some hands-free driving, you needed to have bought something else.
What you currently have is a car with driver assist features, and the capability of someday being the greatest thing in autonomous driving. All the driver assist features are currently very much in development and changing (in December Autopilot took a step backward in ease of use) and FSDbeta may curb your wheels, drive through red lights, and/or drive into oncoming traffic. Hence the need to pay extremely close attention and be willing to take over control of the car in a fraction of a second.
If you are looking for a more relaxing drive, the best tesla can off is the autopilot which came with your car. On highways it is pretty great. Enhanced Autopilot's auto lane change is smooth but probably not worth the money. I don't bother with Navigate on Autopilot can see others might like it. But it is for highway use, not city streets. For city streets, you need to go to FSD and take the bad with the good.