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Well, then you’re wrong. Stop guessing.I'm guessing you haven't read the thread and don't actually know what's happening.
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Well, then you’re wrong. Stop guessing.I'm guessing you haven't read the thread and don't actually know what's happening.
I've read the thread. Far as I can tell, there's currently three distinct populations in the thread. One: people who have some charging problem that prevents high rate charging, such as louver, connector, or cooling system problems. Two: people who have been throttle by Tesla, by chopping off the peak of the rate after high volumes of Supercharging. And three: people who don't understand cold charging or high SOC charging, or other similar problems. This is the smallest group.I'm guessing you haven't read the thread and don't actually know what's happening.
Then that's even worse than my guess.Well, then you’re wrong. Stop guessing.
No updates do not make charging faster. If anything it is slower. I get tesla is trying optimize for range for now, but hopefully one day they release a pack that doesnt have this fast DC charging slow down due to high lifetime DC charging sessions.I've read the thread. Far as I can tell, there's currently three distinct populations in the thread. One: people who have some charging problem that prevents high rate charging, such as louver, connector, or cooling system problems. Two: people who have been throttle by Tesla, by chopping off the peak of the rate after high volumes of Supercharging. And three: people who don't understand cold charging or high SOC charging, or other similar problems. This is the smallest group.
The first two both are zero fun for owners subject to them. One is fixable. The other is probably just a reality of these battery packs. In both cases, Tesla's transparency has been rather poor, and I would say that's the biggest issue.
Speaking of the second group: anyone who has been throttled because of high amounts of DC charging, have you seen your rates go up as part of the recent software updates? It's made a big difference on my 90, but I've only done maybe 500 kWh of Supercharging over the life of the car, since most of my charging is at home.
This is a very long thread. Rather than make me read it all, does this impact the 100 kWh battery too?
It already does effect the 100kwh battery. I've been throttled and range greatly reduced on my P100DL Model X. Both in supercharging, and lost 29 miles of range over night. Service says its in the normal range for the battery..Sooner or later it will affect all Tesla batteries. Lets hope that the reduction with 100kWh packs will not occur during the life of the vehicle.
It already does effect the 100kwh battery. I've been throttled and range greatly reduced on my P100DL Model X. Both in supercharging, and lost 29 miles of range over night. Service says its in the normal range for the battery..
Hi Everyone -
The peak charging rate possible in a lithium-ion cell will slightly decline after a very large number of high-rate charging sessions. This is due to physical and chemical changes inside of the cells.
Our fast-charge control technology is designed to keep the battery safe and to preserve the maximum amount of cell capacity (range capability) in all conditions. To maintain safety and retain maximum range, we need to slow down the charge rate when the cells are too cold, when the state of charge is nearly full, and also when the conditions of the cell change gradually with age and usage.
Jon
Hi Everyone -
The peak charging rate possible in a lithium-ion cell will slightly decline after a very large number of high-rate charging sessions. This is due to physical and chemical changes inside of the cells.
Our fast-charge control technology is designed to keep the battery safe and to preserve the maximum amount of cell capacity (range capability) in all conditions. To maintain safety and retain maximum range, we need to slow down the charge rate when the cells are too cold, when the state of charge is nearly full, and also when the conditions of the cell change gradually with age and usage.
This change due to age and usage may increase total Supercharge time by about 5 minutes and less than 1% of our customers experience this.
Tesla is not slowing down charge rates to discourage frequent Supercharging – quite the opposite. We encourage our customers to use the Supercharger network at their discretion and we committed to doubling the number of worldwide chargers just this year.
We also want to ensure that our customers have the best experience at those Superchargers and preserve as much vehicle range as possible even after frequent usage.
Thanks,
Jon
Jon, has the charge rate on any of the 100 kW batteries been slowed? I'm the owner of a 75 which has been throttled, and to be honest, knowing that throttling can occur, this will play a major factor in determining whether or not I purchase another Tesla when the time comes to replace my S. I travel over 25,000 miles per year with a lot of day trips, so supercharging speed is more important to me than most.
A one-time-only limit, and that's it... I hope he has that in writing.
A one-time-only limit, and that's it... I hope he has that in writing.
Why would you think 3 would be immune?Does the throttling apply to the model 3 too?
The lower energy density of the Model 3 packs suggest something different inside the cells. The switch to 2170 should have provided some increase in energy density, instead it was lower.Why would you think 3 would be immune?
Energy density by volume or weight?The lower energy density of the Model 3 packs suggest something different inside the cells. The switch to 2170 should have provided some increase in energy density, instead it was lower.