I'm not arguing in favor of this install.
All I am saying is that you, and some others keep saying that I should do this or that, when this thread OBVIOUSLY started out as a non-compliant installation.
I don't care, nor anyone else should here, for that matter, whether you have extensive training, or certifications, etc. You CAN NOT prove it. Post a picture, you STILL can not prove it. The only way to prove someone has a certification and licensed training is to witness said certification in person, and verify the validity of it with a third party.
That's why restaurants have to put up their food permits, or alcohol permits in PLAIN VIEW of anyone, including the customer, not just the inspector. Because it is assumed that people have enough sense to NOT take someone's word for it.
I was starting to get a very elitist feel from you, and from others here. I thought this was supposed to be a free-opinion forum. I guess this is not exactly that medium.
And I believe you, wk057, you're just trying to prove you "know best" and everyone should heed your counsel. Regardless of whether you are right or wrong, there's no an ounce of respect for you for your attitude and demeanor.
Thanks to everyone for your opinions and inputs. I for one, am done with this.
-Levi
I don't need to prove anything. I can simply cite the NEC, like anyone else can, and address the aspects that you're violating. This doesn't require a license or training, so, I'm not sure where the licensing nonsense even comes from.
There is a huge difference between "elitist" and pointing out something that is done illegally.
I have no need to prove anything to anyone, especially not some random user on a forum. I don't need nor desire your respect and have no feelings on your opinion of my "attitude and demeanor."
My only concern, as stated in my first post on this thread, is safety. What you have done is unsafe. Replicating the work you've done would be unsafe. Suggesting in any way that what you have done is right is unsafe.
Do I "know best" in this case? Sorry to tell you, but yes I do. I and many others and anyone with who can read the NEC.
Since I have a few minutes, lets just break it down to the facts. Nothing to do with me "knowing best" or being an "elitist." I'll just quote directly from the NEC and you can take it up with your local municipality and/or the NFPA.
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NEC 300.3(B) Conductors of the Same Circuit. All conductors of the same circuit and, where used, the grounded conductor and all equipment grounding conductors and bonding conductors shall be contained within the same raceway, auxiliary gutter, cable tray, cablebus assembly, trench, cable, or cord
- How you violated 300.3(B) - Your wiring is not inside a raceway and is not a cable (like NM cable).
NEC 300.4(B)(1) Nonmetallic-Sheathed Cable. In both exposed and concealed locations where nonmetallic-sheathed cables pass through either factory- or field-punched, cut, or drilled slots or holes in metal members, the cable shall be protected by listed bushings or listed grommets covering all metal edges that are securely fastened in the opening prior to installation of the cable.
- How you violated 300.4(B)(1) - You have a run of NM cable for your NEMA 14-50 outlet coming up through a knockout in your panel without any protection from the metal edges of the knockout.
NEC 300.11 Securing and Supporting. (A) Secured in Place. Raceways, cable assemblies, boxes, cabinets, and fittings shall be securely fastened in place.
- How you violated 300.11(A) - There is no raceway for the HPWC at all and the wires are not secured anywhere except at terminations. Your NM cable for the 14-50 is obviously not fastened, either, and just runs to the conduit on the wall.
NEC Chapter 9, Table 2 - Radius of Conduit and Tubing Bends - Trade Size 1", Bend size 6".
- How you violated Chapter 9 Table 2 - You didn't use 1" conduit as needed for two #3 wires and a #8 ground and installed a rear fed HPWC in a 2x4 wall where a 6" bend for such an install is impossible.
I'd continue, but that concludes my spare time for now.