ucmndd
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Further diminishing the “typo” theory. This is information submitted by the manufacturers themselves.
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IRS weighs in on tax rebate, mostly bad news for Model Y
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ucmndd
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But it very well could be a “van” based on passenger capacity, therefore eligible under different criteria.
Snow Drift
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Let's try to figure this out. There classifications seem random and cars are missing.
SUV/Van
Audi Q5 PHEV 5 Seat
Chrysler Pacifica PHEV Minivan
Jeep GC PHEV 5 Seat
Jeep Wrangler PHEV 5 Seat
Tesla Model Y AWD 7 Seat
Rivian R1S 5/7 Seat
Rivian R1T 5 Seat
VW ID.4 AWD 5 Seat
Car
Mustang Mach E 5 Seat (no itemization of RWD/AWD, Battery Ranges)
Nissan Leaf 5 Seat Wagon
Tesla Model 3 RWD/AWD 5 Seat
Tesla Model Y AWD 5 Seat
Volvo S60 PHEV, etc 5 Seat
VW ID.4 RWD 5 Seat
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(b) An automobile capable of off-highway operation, as indicated by the fact that it:
(1)
(i) Has 4-wheel drive; or
(ii) Is rated at more than 6,000 pounds gross vehicle weight; and
(2) Has at least four of the following characteristics calculated when the automobile is at curb weight, on a level surface, with the front wheels parallel to the automobile's longitudinal centerline, and the tires inflated to the manufacturer's recommended pressure -
(i) Approach angle of not less than 28 degrees.
(ii) Breakover angle of not less than 14 degrees.
(iii) Departure angle of not less than 20 degrees.
(iv) Running clearance of not less than 20 centimeters.
(v) Front and rear axle clearances of not less than 18 centimeters each.
Not a bad news for Model Y, people will then order 7 seats instead of 5 seats for long range and performance. Tesla may also make the 5 seats SR variant $55000
Snow Drift
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It is not eligible:
It does not have 4WD.
OR
It is not over 6,000 lbs (4,927 lbs).
AND 4:
NO 18.7 deg (i) Approach angle of not less than 28 degrees.
18.3 deg (ii) Breakover angle of not less than 14 degrees.
20.2 deg (iii) Departure angle of not less than 20 degrees.
NO 17.2 cm (iv) Running clearance of not less than 20 centimeters.
Dunno (v) Front and rear axle clearances of not less than 18 centimeters each.
See here:
2022 Volkswagen ID.4 Technical Specificationshttps://www.vwidtalk.com › attachments › id4-vw...
ucmndd
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ID.4 and MME don’t have 7 seat options.
The real key to unlocking this, IMO, is to figure out why a 5 seat AWD Model Y is a “car” while the 5 seat AWD ID.4 is apparently an “SUV”.
I don’t have the answer for that.
ucmndd
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There is no meaningful regulatory distinction between 4WD and AWD. They are the same.
But I agree, it certainly fails the test on the other criteria.
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Totally agree. Also, what about the Audi Q5 PHEV being an SUV?
This is why I think it is a typo. They are all SUVs. Car is a car, SUV is an SUV. They are very clearly identified (besides Hyundai/Kia/Genesis E-GMP EVs called SUVs but they are hatchbacks).
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Well there is a distinction mechanically. 4WD is not used all the time, or at high speeds. It has a transfer case and an extra shifter to engage. It is not based on a clutchpack, viscous coupling or planetary gears. Most SUVs are not 4WD, they are AWD. Wrangler, 4Runner, Jimny, Trucks, have 4WD.
The point is, the definition of a Non-Passenger Automobile is not referring to consumer vehicles. They are talking about buses, campers and special off roading equipment. Not a Subaru Outback or Ford Escape. They mean a Unimog or maybe a Hummer H1 (not the H2/3), lol.
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exxxviii
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Let's see - the MY 5 seater is a car that becomes an SUV when you add 2 more seats. Only Washington could come with something so ridiculous. Nothing new though, government has been distorting the automobile market since LBJ rolled out the chicken tax in 1964.
Even better,
if you had passed on the offer and waited for delivery in 2023, you would be waiting ONE YEAR for a TAX CREDIT, worth maybe half that in actual cash tax savings.
those who took the 7500 plus 10,000 free SuperCharger miles made out like bandits.
and so many people were boo-hooing about missing out on the tax credits...... ;-)
and you got the cash discount NOW.
if you had passed on the offer and waited for delivery in 2023, you would be waiting ONE YEAR for a TAX CREDIT, worth maybe half that in actual cash tax savings.
those who took the 7500 plus 10,000 free SuperCharger miles made out like bandits.
and so many people were boo-hooing about missing out on the tax credits...... ;-)
Watts_Up
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I don't see anyone mentionning the battery for getting the rebate?
May be the list provided by the IRS will be valid only until March 2023, when battery type will be included?
www.greencarreports.com
May be the list provided by the IRS will be valid only until March 2023, when battery type will be included?
Full US EV tax credit guidance delayed to March
Some EVs that aren't eligible for the tax credit now—the Bolt EV, for instance—may be able to claim a $3,750 at the start of 2023.
ucmndd
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This list is only intended to cover the North American final assembly and MSRP requirement.
