Raisi played a decisive role in the mass execution of political prisoners in the 1980s.
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Israel/Hamas conflict
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nwdiver
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In the US there are a lot of hand wringing and accusations in the media, but when someone is actually indicted the evidence is pretty strong. The US DOJ doesn't file charges unless they are 99% sure of a conviction.
Absurd is too generous a word for the UN. Praises one of the kingpins of a genocidal government, mass murderer of the best of his own people, and the real force behind Hamas and their war with Israel. UN and their ICC dishonestly going after some of the wrong players:
I have never imagined that The Family Guy colour chart meme will help explain the International Rules Based Order that Western leaders talk about
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All you need to know about this dude is that apparently he called Palestine a "state" and Israel a "territory".
Jigglypuff
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The world has always been insane. Raisi was little more than a Nazi with a beard, one of the worst people in the world. I spit on his grave. The ICC is meant to prosecute when countries don't have rule of law, but Israel has rule of law. Meanwhile, China does not, and they're committing genocide against the Uyhgars. In other words, this has always been about antisemitism, and this has never been about anything else.
At least some members of the erstwhile Obama administration have developed latent integrityI have never imagined that The Family Guy colour chart meme will help explain the International Rules Based Order that Western leaders talk about
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Jigglypuff
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There is no such thing as a rules based international order, just like there's no Easter Bunny and there's no Santa Clause. Anybody who thinks they're saying anything profound about this on Twitter is a moron. It's Realpolitik turtles all the way down. Anyone who says differently is selling something.
I am looking for the UN order to Hamas to stop firing rockets into Israel and also stop killing Jews on Oct 6th. If anyone finds one, please post it here
For perspective on Hajo Meyer, here is a good summary from another Dutch Jew - De Winter, whose parents survived the Holocaust in hiding. He is an author and critic of antisemitism in the Netherlands and similar extremist supporters like Meyer:
When asked about the motives of Meyer and the steady stream of NGO invitations across Europe to have Meyer express his loathing of Israel, De Winter, a best-selling Jewish Dutch novelist, told the Post that “Meyer is a sad and extreme case of ‘survival guilt,’ which has led to hatred of everything that is Jewish. He is a member of every Israel-bashing group in Holland, and because he is Jewish and a Holocaust survivor, they love him. He combines his selfhatred with vanity – a terrible mix. He can be vain and full of self-hatred at the same time because he is proud of having been able to make sense of the Holocaust: the Jews are to blame because of their rules, laws, and claims to be exceptional and ‘chosen.’”
“In a book about the ‘end of Judaism,’ an end he favors, he wrote that the Jews’ ‘otherness,’ like their dietary rules, caused antipathy already thousands of years ago,” De Winter continued. “It is a fascinating and frightening way to survive – he is still the Nazi prisoner he once was by completely internalizing the Nazi’s hatred.”
Germans use ‘anti-Israel’ Jews to soothe Holocaust guilt
Tiger
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Anti-israel is the only excuse they have for what they do. Despicable. I don't know if they know, but they have been brainwashed like the russians to think the whole non-jewish world is against them, and after these deeds it is.
Well well well, that's how the pendulum swings and the cookie crumbles.
As a part of the Jewish and Israeli world in my circles, can safely say it is not like that.
There are many Jews and Israelis deeply critical of their current government. But they are also rightly alarmed to see the antisemitic highly disproportional geopolitical/religiofascist focus upon Israel and malignant gross distortions cast upon it including false equivalence with and at the exclusion and attention of other far greater geopolitical evils.
For deeper understanding, a good go to is Ari Shavit, former journalist from Haaretz, earlier in his life a self described liberal and "peacenik", these days politically left of center. He was on the Ezra Klein (NY Times) podcast on May 7th where this topic is covered.
Israel is the only nation in the world that is also Jewish. But many countries have state religions. There are many Muslim countries, Catholic countries. etc. Being critical of the Israeli government, but not having an issue with people who are ethnically or of the Jewish faith is quite possible. Just like someone can be critical of the Italian government and have no issue with the Catholic faith, or ethnic Italians.
To some extent there is some blowback here. For many years the pro-Israel lobby in the US has been quick to heap criticism on anyone who criticizes Israel's government as being antisemitic. This has leveraged collective guilt among Gentiles about the Holocaust to further Israel's political aims.
This has a tendency to merge memes together. In the US during the cold war there were memes that merged together communism and socialism to a point that a large percentage of Gen X and older have these two ideas merged together in their minds, which unscrupulous politicians use to demonize anyone who is left leaning. To these people anything that is the least bit socialistic is essentially communism.
The idea that criticizing Israel's government for its actions is now interlinked with being antisemitic to such a degree that now some people are embracing that and just being straight up antisemitic because they have issues with the way Israel's government is behaving. What was once a universal taboo has now become a badge of honor among some. So in the US and some other countries we now have the extreme left (newly antisemitic) and extreme right (many of whom have been for 80 years) becoming strange bedfellows on this issue.
It is completely legitimate for one to be critical of Israel's current government and that alone does not make one antisemitic.
But if the same adamant persons or protestors (far right typically and increasingly far left) spend a lessor amount of time critical of Hamas, the Houthis, Hezbollah, or their puppet master Iran, spend a lessor amount of time demanding the hostages be freed, do not protest until the ICC issues an arrest warrant for Khomeini and several others of actual genocidal intent and actions, pursue with lessor vigor other more serious moral geopolitical failings, etc, they are in fact antisemitic.
But if the same adamant persons or protestors (far right typically and increasingly far left) spend a lessor amount of time critical of Hamas, the Houthis, Hezbollah, or their puppet master Iran, spend a lessor amount of time demanding the hostages be freed, do not protest until the ICC issues an arrest warrant for Khomeini and several others of actual genocidal intent and actions, pursue with lessor vigor other more serious moral geopolitical failings, etc, they are in fact antisemitic.
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I have seen the last week about just how much disinformation people are consuming. This poll has been talked about in many places
Majority of Americans wrongly believe US is in recession – and most blame Biden
Jordan Klepper recently did a mini-documentary about how many Americans believe Russian propaganda over the facts.
The misconceptions Israel/Palestine is another area where people are believing garbage over facts. Or only believing one side's facts. Israel has done some things with this war that are not good and a lot of people are latching onto those facts, but they are ignoring the truth about Hamas and the other organizations fighting Israel.
The irony of deniers using a survivor to further their cause is tragic
