Lane Departure Avoidance issue when pedestrians are present

[M3_MikeH]

So I had an unusual occurrence the other day. Pedestrians walking on the shoulder. No AP or TACC engaged. I steer slightly over the center line, however a car is approaching from the opposite direction. Watson (my model 3) decided to auto steer / correct right towards the pedestrians. Good thing I had a tight grip on the wheel and pulled it back. Pretty scary. I can see this happening often in my case as we have lots of bicyclists riding narrow roads and having to cross center lines with oncoming traffic. Seems lie the "AI" is choosing to hit people and not cars

 

[derotam]

So you crossed over the yellow line, the car started to steer itself back to the center of the lane and you freaked out because it just happened to happen as you were passing some pedestrians? Got it.

The above was written with some sarcasm but I think it is actually probably pretty accurate...unless you are trying to say that the car swerved and actually went across the right hand line.

The car seems to hug the left side of the lane on a right hand curve also...I take over when there is oncoming traffic because I don't want to chance any mistakes by anyone with the decreased distance margin.

 

[commasign]

Did you turn on the lane departure avoidance and emergency lane departure avoidance settings? Maybe better to leave those set to "Off" for now.

 

[turnem]

Seems to me that as a driver... if you're approaching that situation you should just slow down and wait for the car to pass and THEN cross the yellow line. I'm not really sure what else you expected the car to do for you there exactly?

 

[mswlogo]

So you crossed over the yellow line, the car started to steer itself back to the center of the lane and you freaked out because it just happened to happen as you were passing some pedestrians? Got it.

The above was written with some sarcasm but I think it is actually probably pretty accurate...unless you are trying to say that the car swerved and actually went across the right hand line.

The car seems to hug the left side of the lane on a right hand curve also...I take over when there is oncoming traffic because I don't want to chance any mistakes by anyone with the decreased distance margin.

Keep in mind he did not have AP/TACC engaged. There is nothing to "take over". He was driving. But LDA came into play.

 

[mswlogo]

So I had an unusual occurrence the other day. Pedestrians walking on the shoulder. No AP or TACC engaged. I steer slightly over the center line, however a car is approaching from the opposite direction. Watson (my model 3) decided to auto steer / correct right towards the pedestrians. Good thing I had a tight grip on the wheel and pulled it back. Pretty scary. I can see this happening often in my case as we have lots of bicyclists riding narrow roads and having to cross center lines with oncoming traffic. Seems lie the "AI" is choosing to hit people and not cars

So if this was a "normal" car, would you have stayed crossing the line with oncoming traffic or grazed the pedestrians?

 

[derotam]

Keep in mind he did not have AP/TACC engaged. There is nothing to "take over". He was driving. But LDA came into play.

Yes there was the cars' corrective action that it was taking to take over. OP said the car tried to make a corrective maneuver and that they had to take over. The active steering shifts from the human to the vehicle when LDA or ELDA kicks in.

 

[derotam]

Did you turn on the lane departure avoidance and emergency lane departure avoidance settings? Maybe better to leave those set to "Off" for now.

You cannot permanently turn off ELDA.

 

[mswlogo]

Yes there was the cars' corrective action that it was taking to take over. OP said the car tried to make a corrective maneuver and that they had to take over. The active steering shifts from the human to the vehicle when LDA or ELDA kicks in.

But your prior post sounded like you said something along the lines of you like to "take control" before the potential oncoming conflict comes up. They only way he could do that would be to disable LDA.

 

[commasign]

You cannot permanently turn off ELDA.

Interesting. Didn't know that. Does it reset itself every time?

 

[lolder]

The car does not hug the center ( yellow ) line. It just seems that way because most of us have been driving to the right of the lane. Perspective makes it look worse in a right hand curve.

 

[turnem]

The car does not hug the center ( yellow ) line. It just seems that way because most of us have been driving to the right of the lane. Perspective makes it look worse in a right hand curve.

I got back and forth on this. I think I do naturally seem to bias the right side a bit more so when I first got my M3 it made me uncomfortable how it was aiming for the center.

However - I do honestly feel like it starts making right handed turns a little too late. Even the lines displayed on the screen show the car hugging the center line in right hand turns so I don't think it's just a perspective issue.

 

[hcdavis3]

Interesting. Didn't know that. Does it reset itself every time?

Yup. I do a lot of drives while on errands, many stops. If I don’t turn off ELDA each time I will get multiple warnings with a hard steer to the left.
TESLA this is not acceptable. Please give us the option to turn F=$#@&g Elda off permanently. Are you listening??????

 

[edigest]

@M3_MikeH, were the pedestrians walking in the street or off the street on the shoulder? If the latter, your car did not attempt to veer into the pedestrians. It was correcting you who crossed the yellow line, back into the center of the lane.

Kinda like the vehicle is 'thinking' safer to center between the pedestrians and the oncoming traffic, while you're 'thinking' better to drive into oncoming traffic to give the pedestrians on the shoulder more room.

 

[webdbbt]

So I had an unusual occurrence the other day. Pedestrians walking on the shoulder. No AP or TACC engaged. I steer slightly over the center line, however a car is approaching from the opposite direction. Watson (my model 3) decided to auto steer / correct right towards the pedestrians. Good thing I had a tight grip on the wheel and pulled it back. Pretty scary. I can see this happening often in my case as we have lots of bicyclists riding narrow roads and having to cross center lines with oncoming traffic. Seems lie the "AI" is choosing to hit people and not cars

Hi Mike, welcome to the forum. Where I live almost every day I pass people (with dogs) on the shoulder or cyclists, mail trucks, landscapers, etc. So almost every day I'm crossing the center line to leave extra room on the shoulder. Often there is an approaching car some distance away. Everyone knows what is going on and nobody panics about a car crossing the center line.

I really don't like this lane departure feature as it is described (I don't have it yet). It sounds just like the Boeing 737 Max MCAS problem--the car thinks it knows better than the driver and will take away control!

 

[electrictorque]

Maybe we should be using the turn signal in this situations.

 

[jkeyser14]

Yet another exampke of ELDA almost causing harm. Tesla needs to get their heads out of their asses and let us disable this *sugar* while they improve their software.

 

[mswlogo]

Hi Mike, welcome to the forum. Where I live almost every day I pass people (with dogs) on the shoulder or cyclists, mail trucks, landscapers, etc. So almost every day I'm crossing the center line to leave extra room on the shoulder. Often there is an approaching car some distance away. Everyone knows what is going on and nobody panics about a car crossing the center line.

I really don't like this lane departure feature as it is described (I don't have it yet). It sounds just like the Boeing 737 Max MCAS problem--the car thinks it knows better than the driver and will take away control!

Just tried it 30 minutes ago(to confirm). If I “actively” cross the yellow center line the car does nothing. If I let the car drift over the line it steers back. Same goes for shoulder line.

It’s not always 100% accurate assessing if I actively steered over or drifted over though.

If your on a 2 lane road (one lane each direction) and a dashed yellow line comes up, allowing to pass you don’t want the car pushing you back. They active steering should handle stop it from steering back. I typically don’t use the blinker for passing like this (single lane). I never see other folks doing it either.

 

[electrictorque]

Just tried it 30 minutes ago(to confirm). If I “actively” cross the yellow center line the car does nothing. If I let the car drift over the line it steers back. Same goes for shoulder line.

It’s not always 100% accurate assessing if I actively steered over or drifted over though.

Next try letting it drift with the turn signal on.

 

[mswlogo]

Next try letting it drift with the turn signal on.

I’m not sure what it should do, or I want it to do in that case. If I’m “swerving” out of the way, I typically would not signal. I don’t plan on leaving the lane.