I used to be concerned that Tesla was offering so much performance to people not used to performance cars. Many people bought Roadsters and Model S for the longest range EV, and not because of quick acceleration. I was concerned that people would be "crashing them all over the place" due to the quick acceleration, and lack of drama when doing so. But it appears that crashes are few and far between, and I have more respect for the average driver's ability to control a vehicle that has that capability. I think it helps that the computer controls keep the car from spinning the tires and sliding out of control. Quick acceleration is great for all as long as the car stays in control.
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Leaked Model 3 specs 0-60 in under 4 sec and 300+ mile range
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I used to be concerned that Tesla was offering so much performance to people not used to performance cars. Many people bought Roadsters and Model S for the longest range EV, and not because of quick acceleration. I was concerned that people would be "crashing them all over the place" due to the quick acceleration, and lack of drama when doing so. But it appears that crashes are few and far between, and I have more respect for the average driver's ability to control a vehicle that has that capability. I think it helps that the computer controls keep the car from spinning the tires and sliding out of control. Quick acceleration is great for all as long as the car stays in control.
My concern with the statement about autopilot is that it is only "on the level of the S and X" when I am hoping the Model 3 will have the next generation hardware for full autonomy making it ready once the software and legal aspects are ironed out. However, I think the article is written with more confidence than facts so I take the details with a grain of salt.
Don't panic. This all came from a translation of a German article. Who knows what got lost in the process.
RobStark
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I am wagering it is a smaller Model S with a Model X type nose(smaller) instead of the MS nosecone.
The proportions can't be the same as MS because it would kill backseat headroom. So it will be a relatively tall vehicle vs length x width compared to MS.
To the layman that equals a hybrid of MS and MX.
nwdiver
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The sensors are so cheap... it's the R&D that's expensive. Every X and S has the same sensor suit... it just costs extra to activate it. Pretty sure the 3 will come equipped too.
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SureValla
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half that article is about the safety AI will bring to cars. There is no way it doesn't have AP
My understanding is the current hardware in the Model S and X is an older generation that is adequate for autopilot, but not autonomous driving. Many expect the Model 3 to have autonomous driving hardware. So the question for me is not if the Model 3 will have hardware for autopilot, but if it will have the hardware for autonomous driving.
Keep in mind that your BMW and MB prices are the base or those cars. Both of them top out fully optioned at roughly $100,000. Somehow everyone is low-balling the competitors pricing by using option-free for the ICE and assuming Teska will have fully-options at that base. They will not do that, IMHO. Tesla has never been shy about option prices nor have they undercut ICE competitors. Why would they start doing that?
thefortunes
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I have driven my Roadster over 49k miles and my overall average is 4.02 mi/kWh. That is in WI where we have COLD and SNOW which greatly impact efficiency.
Over 80% of my miles are highway (typically 70-75mph), and I can easily run >3.8 mi/kWh at that speed. This morning on my 27 mile commute I used 5.5kWh for a smooth 4.9 mi/kWh (with a nice tailwind).
nwdiver
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I'm confident that if any cars have it then all cars will have it. Tesla has shown that they place a high priority on streamlined production. They were willing to put an extra 20kWh in a pack and sell it as a 40 just to prevent the headache of an additional battery size.
As to wether autonomous driving is ready in late 2017? IMO 50/50...
I agree. My ex-boss, who I've been trying to talk into a Tesla, is actually afraid of that kind of performance.
cbin97
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SCW-Greg
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Jeesh! This is such a lame argument.
How often do we go out and flat out MASH the pedal at every green light, or in bumper to bumper traffic? All of us here know, as with any new car we buy (get in to) and drive, that each performs a little different... and we adapt. The Tesla's are no different. The pedals are not explosively twitchy, by any means.
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Petra
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Don't forget about the power delivery limitations of smaller battery packs... If Tesla is to be believed, the 1s 0-60 difference between the S70D and S85D is purely due to battery limitations, the motors are the same.
There are at least 3 major aspects to attaining an autonomous driving car:
1) hardware sensors,
2) software,
3) legal approval
Elon and other top engineers at Tesla are on record saying the Model S and X do not have right hardware for autonomous driving. Elon has said that software wise cars will be smart enough in only a couple of years which coincidentally lines up with the timing of the Model 3 launch. However, many would side with you that software will take longer.
The main point here is without 1) the right hardware sensors, 2) software and 3) legal approval will not matter. So my hope is they will put the hardware in so when the software and legal side things are ready so will the Model 3.
GKwey
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I just have my S85D for 4 weeks and loving it every minutes and believe I have found the car of my life (or the car that complete my life). So please please no Model S killer tomorrow.
2virgule5
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... which is what I was thinking of my classic S85 before they introduced Autopilot and AWD...
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