int32_t
Tesla Spotter
Cool thread! I'm a fan of LED headlights and can't wait to get them on my 3. I didn't realise adaptive headlights weren't all created equal, either ... hope the lights on the 3 are more like the X and less like the S.
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If we just want to do an update, and avoid the "hassle" of trying to set up the adaptive component, it seems like this might work. The upgraded lighting comes as HID or adaptive LEDs. The HID would have a signal wire, constant for the LED DLR, headlight, high beam, ground etc. Judging by the first part of this post, plugging in they get some of the lighting to work and no faults, it means that a few of the wires are in the right spot. It would seem that the differences come down to the high beam and the DLR LED.
Has anyone done just a swap for an improved/upgraded look? I found a used bumper (2017) and I'm gonna take a shot at the lighting too...just seems like it shouldn't be that tough as long as you aren't looking for the adaptive.
The Karstyle nose upgrade does leave the AP Radar at the bottom of the car. The downside to that is I have had large bugs disable my Autopilot. I think it is safer behind the T but Tesla would have to do that because the AP software would have to be modified.Early cars could have either halogens or HIDs and that was determined by the presence of the tech package. I have nothing other than speculation to go off of but I'm going to assume that they used identical harnesses since the lighting control is in the light and there would be no need to run a different harness for halogen versus HID.
I don't think the newer cars are any different but I just ordered a P85D which will be here in a few weeks so I'll be sure to report on that.
Tesla. I bought it for my pre-AP 2013 though. I'm not sure I'd want to take the project on with an AP car unless I was to keep the radar sensor in it's original position.
Are you still selling your headlights?No, it's not close and don't waste $700 on a light only to discover it won't work easily because it won't. The LEDs are controlled via an in-car network whereas the older HID headlights are dumb in the sense that they just rely on power to be applied to various components for them to work. The harnesses are similar but that's it.
I sold my 2013 and now have a leased P85D and I'm not really enticed to spend money modifying a leased car. I also never heard back from ingineer who offered his services. I sent a couple emails when we agreed I'd follow up and never heard back. I don't take it personally. I assume he's being harassed with requests for stuff often.
If anyone wants my headlight they can have it for $300 shipped.
Ok, that's a better post title. I'm not sure if anyone else has done this yet but today I picked this up... Stay tuned for more.
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Huh. I wish I read this thread earlier.
I have an older 2013 Model S, non tech-package. I had the halogen lights, but my car did have DRL's. I installed aftermarket HID's, but they were a little too blue for my tastes and I was getting a little upward reflection that must have annoyed a lot of people.
I called my local SC about upgrading to the HID's that came with the tech package enabled cars. They ended up putting in the current adaptive LED's earlier today. The headlights themselves actually work well - nice wide beam and sharp horizontal cutoff point. Hi beams and lo beams work just fine. Turn signals are fully operational. I'm not noticing any adaptive features, but wasn't expecting any with my older model car.
However, to my dismay, I lost DRL functions and the outer strip of the headlights do not work at all, even when the headlights are on. That's kind of a signature Model S look. The tech even had a software update pushed to the car and my DRL button disappeared.
Not happy about this. When the SC told me the retrofit was possible, I was expecting full functionality. They oddly took my old headlights, too.
I'll have to call them in the AM and get this fixed. If the retrofit is indeed not possible, I'm just going to ask for the older tech package HID's as originally requested. I honestly wasn't expecting them to try these new LED's. I think there a miscommunication somewhere.
Do you mind disclosing how much this retrofit cost you? I had my non-tech DRL halogen headlights replaced with DRL HID headlights under warranty for condensation since they stopped making the halogen headlights.
Huh. I wish I read this thread earlier.
I have an older 2013 Model S, non tech-package. I had the halogen lights, but my car did have DRL's. I installed aftermarket HID's, but they were a little too blue for my tastes and I was getting a little upward reflection that must have annoyed a lot of people.
I called my local SC about upgrading to the HID's that came with the tech package enabled cars. They ended up putting in the current adaptive LED's earlier today. The headlights themselves actually work well - nice wide beam and sharp horizontal cutoff point. Hi beams and lo beams work just fine. Turn signals are fully operational. I'm not noticing any adaptive features, but wasn't expecting any with my older model car.
However, to my dismay, I lost DRL functions and the outer strip of the headlights do not work at all, even when the headlights are on. That's kind of a signature Model S look. The tech even had a software update pushed to the car and my DRL button disappeared.
You're not noticing them because Tesla's definition of adaptive is different than pretty much everyone else's. In the world of BMWs and Audis adaptive headlights move with the steering wheel. You turn left, the headlights aim left. Turn right... You guessed it... Headlights aim right. In addition to this there are low speed "parking" or "city" lights that illuminate around slow speed turns. Most cars have this function in addition to true adaptive lights. Tesla considers this function alone "adaptive". It's a load of bull. The headlights look much nicer than the older style but are practically no better.
They should be able to fix this. This was a common issue with the early facelift cars. They didn't have any DRLs and they didn't have the button either. It's a bug I'm sure. For those saying to run a jump wire, you can't do it on these lights like the older ones. They are networked.
Would you mind shooting a picture of the lights on your car? I'd love to see them. Can you ask the tech if they changed the headlight harness at all? The harness in your car is not compatible with those lights. So I'm curious to see if they're providing a retrofit harness that ties the lights into the bus.
Is the part in bold really true? Haven't heard that before. If so, seems pretty silly on Tesla's part to make two versions. Just make them all self-leveling and be done with it. I can't imagine cost savings is that substantial to justify that.If they just put them in plug and play that's your problem. First off, there's two versions of the lights: air suspension and non-air suspension. One has self leveling; the other does not. I'm not sure sure if there is a difference practically speaking between the two harnesses. I suspect there isn't.
Is the part in bold really true? Haven't heard that before. If so, seems pretty silly on Tesla's part to make two versions. Just make them all self-leveling and be done with it. I can't imagine cost savings is that substantial to justify that.
Ok, but I'm still skeptical. I guess a tech should know, but seems really odd for them to do it that way. I guess we'd need to compare part numbers to confirm.I'd never heard of it either. I believe it applies to the HIDs as well as the LEDs but it definitely applies to the LEDs. My SA asked a tech who told us that the air suspension cars would simply level themselves whereas since a coil suspension car can't, they added leveling.
.Would you mind shooting a picture of the lights on your car?