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thanks. I might have to try this. My 2022 MYLR with FSD beta v2022.44.30.10, recent trip from San Diego to Las Vegas, lanes are not busy and experienced PB issues at least twice between Barstow and Primm.Also try this: Do not set Autopilot to automatically set speed to the speed limit. I have noticed most phantom braking events are because of erroneous "speed limit" changes.
FYI, TACC is also beta per the owners manual.Not using beta Autosteer, just standard TACC.
regardless, my experience with AP has been very good.FYI, TACC is also beta per the owners manual.
I'm surprised you've gotten PB on that stretch. Should be wide open unless they've got their lane widening construction going on.thanks. I might have to try this. My 2022 MYLR with FSD beta v2022.44.30.10, recent trip from San Diego to Las Vegas, lanes are not busy and experienced PB issues at least twice between Barstow and Primm.
but you're still on TMC ?I can't believe this is still happening. We had one of the first vision only Model Y's from May 2021. We had to sell it by Nov '21 due to the excessive phantom braking and a few really close calls (nearly being rear ended).
I don't come here often because like your post overall there are a lot of hostile and overly fanatical people over here. I still own a Model X.but you're still on TMC ?
Please report this event to: National Highway Traffic Safety Administration NHTSA. There is a link at the top right of their web page.I don't come here often because like your post overall there are a lot of hostile and overly fanatical people over here. I still own a Model X.
I reported my vehicle less than a week after taking delivery. Absolutely mind blowing that they continue to release cars that react like this to normal road conditions.Please report this event to: National Highway Traffic Safety Administration NHTSA. There is a link at the top right of their web page.
I have not looked at the NHTSA site in awhile, last time I did there were less than 800 formal complaints. There is also a class action suite being started, I have no information as I have no desire to sue, only want it fixed.
I consider this statement a little bit harsh. For someone who is not a car geek and doesn't spend time on automotive forums, I consider it reasonable to expect a $50,000 luxury car to come with basic cruise control functionality - a technology that has been stable and trustworthy for 50 years. Our cars effectively do not have it because it is coupled with an automation feature that many of us don't want, and makes it untrustworthy for large numbers of us.The assertion that this issue is in any way concealed is absurd. It's all over both the specialty forums like this one and being trumpeted in the anti-Tesla/EV popular press. You'd have to have been living in a cave (or being a willfully ignorant troll) to have missed it.
Luca,During our trip we experienced 19 phantom breaking incidents where the car decided to break at highway speeds for no reason. In all cases there were no cars or obstructions in the way and this occurred at various stretches of the trip. The breaking was very aggressive.
I'd be curious to know if others have the same issue. I feel like this is a SERIOUS safety problem and now I am very weary of my Tesla.
In short, an option available to you is to spend some time driving with cruise control on, but your foot just barely covering the accelerator, and simply assuming that it is probably going to brake unexpectedly. By having your foot right there, the braking will not be aggressive b/c the pedal comes up, and your foot will stop it from coming up far. This will take the edge off of these experiences so they are not alarming and not scary. Once I took the edge off, I found that I started to learn when to take over. It wasn't hard, but it's more like muscle memory - it's complicated to fully describe, but your body kinda "gets it," like riding a bike.
What was the lesson exactly?Thanks for the tip, unfortunately it's extremely uncomfortable to keep your foot "just barely covering the accelerator" on a 7 hour drive. It's not a comfortable position and the foot cramps up quickly. I just drive my Hyundai now because I can put it on cruise control and it drives without braking like a maniac.
Just a heads up for anyone interested on value change of your new Tesla Model Y.
I purchased the car for $70k (with taxes + fees, base price was $66,900) on or around December 3rd... As soon as my title came in, around Jan 20th I took it in to Carmax to sell it. They offered me $37k. This was right after Tesla dropped the price but it was the earliest I could sell the car since that's when the title came in. 2 weeks before I got my title I walked into Carmax to get an estimate (I couldn't sell it yet but wanted to get an idea of how much I'd lose if I sold it)... They offered me $64k... Two weeks later (after tesla price drop) $37k. The mileage was around 1500 miles at both times.
A major kick in a balls by Tesla. My intention was to sell the car as soon as the title came in due to the phantom braking issues. But now I'm getting literally half of what I paid for a month after taking delivery so I'm stuck with it. I've owned a bunch of cars over my life time and this is the worst drop in value ever. A lesson well learned.
Appreciate you actually breaking down the patterns you've noticed related to what could be triggering the braking events. Out of curiosity do you mostly drive with your foot hovering over the accelerator? Seems a bit extreme / uncomfortable depending on the length of your commute...Luca,
As you've seen, it happens to others too, me included. I originally reacted as you did - just completely stopped using it, and resigned myself to the idea that I my car simply didn't have a "cruise control" feature - at least not in terms of how I want to use it. Like you, what I want from cruise control is to reduce my workload as the driver, not increase it.
The minor good news I can share is that I have found there is a pattern to the phantom braking, and I am generally able to recognize when it is likely to happen, and take over in advance. As a result, using the cruise control is not particularly draining like it was when I was new to it. It is still disappointing that I have to intervene manually as often as I do, and it still makes it so that I do not have the benefit of a simple basic technology that most other cars have. But it's not awful any more.
Here are the situations that I can see coming where it is likely to happen: The lane splits, there is no line between my lane and the new lane, and a car is going slower in the new lane. Exit ramps on the highway are a common example of this, and the braking is extreme since I might be going 70 and a car taking the exit might be going 30. Another is a slower car in another lane drifting slightly into my lane. Another is when I'm changing lanes to pass, but I don't get fully into the new lane before the car I'm passing gets close enough to trigger a slow down. In most cases, there is another vehicle involved that is going slower, and I know it's not a risk, but my car does not. In some cases though, unusual or faintly marked lanes seem to cause the car to think that embankments or overpass supports, etc, are obstructions - it seems it's not sure where the road really is, so it is worried those fixed objects might be in the road.
In short, an option available to you is to spend some time driving with cruise control on, but your foot just barely covering the accelerator, and simply assuming that it is probably going to brake unexpectedly. By having your foot right there, the braking will not be aggressive b/c the pedal comes up, and your foot will stop it from coming up far. This will take the edge off of these experiences so they are not alarming and not scary. Once I took the edge off, I found that I started to learn when to take over. It wasn't hard, but it's more like muscle memory - it's complicated to fully describe, but your body kinda "gets it," like riding a bike.
He's suggesting to do that until you start recognizing the patterns. I don't have the Vision version yet (I'm still on the software version that uses radar), but there are locations that I know for certain the car will slow down (I see the set speed drop). Usually it is when there is a split in the road.Appreciate you actually breaking down the patterns you've noticed related to what could be triggering the braking events. Out of curiosity do you mostly drive with your foot hovering over the accelerator? Seems a bit extreme / uncomfortable depending on the length of your commute...
Luca,Thanks for the tip, unfortunately it's extremely uncomfortable to keep your foot "just barely covering the accelerator" on a 7 hour drive. It's not a comfortable position and the foot cramps up quickly. I just drive my Hyundai now because I can put it on cruise control and it drives without braking like a maniac.
No, no, absolutely not. If you don't want to read the super-long post I just sent detailing this, here's the short version: I meant that as a training technique, for short intervals, to enable the driver to feel safe while "experimenting" to get the hang of the problem. I have not had a "phantom braking" incident that I did not see coming in advance in 20,000 miles.Appreciate you actually breaking down the patterns you've noticed related to what could be triggering the braking events. Out of curiosity do you mostly drive with your foot hovering over the accelerator? Seems a bit extreme / uncomfortable depending on the length of your commute...
I still typically do keep a foot hovering or almost slightly resting on the accelerator a lot of the time, as I'm not completely satisfy with the amount of accelerator is applied when the car in front starts moving in light traffic (usually it takes quite a while to build up speed and does not keep up with the car in front).