mspohr
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This is less functional than AP1 on my 2015 Model SSo, basically the same AP functionality I've had since I bought my Model 3 in 2018. Neat!
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This is less functional than AP1 on my 2015 Model SSo, basically the same AP functionality I've had since I bought my Model 3 in 2018. Neat!
Capability or legality?People who say this is like "FSD" or AP1 really don't get it.
You can take your eyes off the road. Legally. That's a major benefit and a game changer.
Something no Tesla has ever been capable of and probably won't be able to do in the near future either.
Might be useful in LA! Maybe Germany doesn't have traffic like this?Not likely to be useful to anyone.
How can it be eyes off road if at any point it quits and you suddenly have to take over?This is my belief also. If one is supposed to sleep, work or do anything without paying attention, a sudden handover is not acceptable - and I guess Mercedes has thought about that. But we shall see when cars hit the roads next year.
Others though see an opportunity to spread some FUD about the competitor, maybe to avoid questions on why Tesla did not go that route. Maybe Tesla can deliver this next year also? They should try.
All of the times I have used AP1 in heavy freeway traffic my speed frequently goes over 38 mph and it doesn't freak out.Might be useful in LA! Maybe Germany doesn't have traffic like this?
I take it you're not in Southern California or the Bay Area?
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It doesn't freak out, it just requires driver attention over 37mph. Not clear what the maximum speed in that mode is but it looks like other Mercedes cars allow TACC and lane keeping up to 130mph.All of the times I have used AP1 in heavy freeway traffic my speed frequently goes over 38 mph and it doesn't freak out.
It doesn't. Read the standard. 10 seconds to take control.How can it be eyes off road if at any point it quits and you suddenly have to take over?
A whole 10 seconds?It doesn't. Read the standard. 10 seconds to take control.
I'm pretty sure this will be relatively comparable to Autopilot functionality with Level 2 expectations at speeds above 37MPH. And then if you hit slower traffic within the ODD, it becomes a Level 3 system where you can stop paying attention and let it do its thing.This is less functional than AP1 on my 2015 Model S
You're doing an apples to oranges comparison.This is less functional than AP1 on my 2015 Model S
The point is that L3 functionality which is limited to a very constricted use case (<38 mph on freeways) is essentially useless.You're doing an apples to oranges comparison.
To do an apples to apples comparison you have to compare the L2 functionality of these vehicles to the L2 functionality your 2015 Model S has.
The L3 functionality is functionality you do not have on your Model S regardless of where its at or what speed its going.
The point is that L3 functionality which is limited to a very constricted use case (<38 mph on freeways) is essentially useless.
Look at the current LA traffic map. Currently at 2:34pm on a Monday there is A LOT of traffic <38mph so clearly it wouldn't be useless to the people there (and the reason there's traffic is because there are a lot people there!)The point is that L3 functionality which is limited to a very constricted use case (<38 mph on freeways) is essentially useless.
I think if the speed limit is close to 60 mph than 37 mph, it would be really useful.If you imagine L2 Autopilot with the added functionality of a L3 system that allows you to actually stop paying attention to the road in lower speed situations until warned that you need to start paying attention again in ~10seconds, it can be potentially be very useful
you guys are seriously paid trolls or seriously the most naive group i've come across yet. even if the Pope himself told me this marketing gimmick is safe I WOULD NOT TRUST IT WITH MY LIFE. and Mercedes understands it's not good at all thus all the limitations and i'm sure many many excuses when it won't work even under 37 or whatever arbitrary speed limit. you think this is some fantasy lala land where this will work all the time in ideal conditions. this. ain.t. that. stop being tools.
and if you think you'd just like to offload liability you are an idiot as well.
L3 like this in 60-70 mph would be a massive winner, I would pay good money for that right nowI think if the speed limit is close to 60 mph than 37 mph, it would be really useful.
BTW, anyone knows what are the rules when it comes to inclement weather ?
Dude, relax. It's only going to be available in Germany for now so they'll find out how safe it is before it ever gets here.you guys are seriously paid trolls or seriously the most naive group i've come across yet. even if the Pope himself told me this marketing gimmick is safe I WOULD NOT TRUST IT WITH MY LIFE. and Mercedes understands it's not good at all thus all the limitations and i'm sure many many excuses when it won't work even under 37 or whatever arbitrary speed limit. you think this is some fantasy lala land where this will work all the time in ideal conditions. this. ain.t. that. stop being tools.
and if you think you'd just like to offload liability you are an idiot as well.