Officially approved, limited Level 3 driving. "First automotive company in the world to meet the demanding legal requirements of UN-R157 for a Level 3 system1." ... "provided that national legislation allows it"
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Officially approved, limited Level 3 driving. "First automotive company in the world to meet the demanding legal requirements of UN-R157 for a Level 3 system1." ... "provided that national legislation allows...
The word "international" is confusing because Germany is only 1 country and not 2 or more countries.
You left out the most important part, the tiny ODD. Basically TACC with a bit of lane keeping but below 40mph - but on freeways !Officially approved, limited Level 3 driving. "First automotive company in the world to meet the demanding legal requirements of UN-R157 for a Level 3 system1." ... "provided that national legislation allows it"
Press release.
Thanks for the explanation. It does make sense to me now.Erm. Its the UN-ECE regs that its passed compliance with, so international in scope even though several countries do not follow the UN-ECE regulations, including the US which have opted out it would seem even though being part of the scope of UN-ECE.
Passing these regulations allows various countries to adopt these systems.
So, basically the same AP functionality I've had since I bought my Model 3 in 2018. Neat!If you want to see the system in action on US roads, check this out @ about 32:00
If they can get this approved for higher speeds and then expand the ODD, I think they'll have a big highway winner
Similar functionality but allowing you to stop paying attention via that Level 3 certification (in Germany so far), which is a massive distinction in real useSo, basically the same AP functionality I've had since I bought my Model 3 in 2018. Neat!
But he did have to pay attention. The car started an emergency pull over because he wasn't touching the steering wheel. I don't see any difference.Similar functionality but allowing you to stop paying attention via that Level 3 certification (in Germany so far), which is a massive distinction in real use
I won't pay for a system that I still need to pay attention to, but I will pay for something that I can stop paying attention to and trust
The regulation Mercedes was just granted approval under is adopted by the EU, Great Britain, Japan, Korea, and Australia, and the video I posted was filmed in the Bay area at least two months ago. Just imagine the functionality being the same but not needing hands on the wheel and eyes forward. This move paves the way for further adoption of systems/legislation that actually allow you to stop paying attention while your car drives itself until it prompts you to take over.But he did have to pay attention. The car started an emergency pull over because he wasn't touching the steering wheel. I don't see any difference.
Don’t they have different levels ? Mercedes only applied for the level that allows hands free during traffic jams in a freeway - thus the low speed. I guess it won’t change the lane too.To add some clarity to this thread as well, it's also the regulation currently limiting the operating speed under Level 3 certification.
I am not getting it. This is what Autopilot has done for years.If you want to see the system in action on US roads, check this out @ about 32:00
If they can get this approved for higher speeds and then expand the ODD, I think they'll have a big highway winner
Are we talking different levels as in Level 3 vs 4, or different levels within each level? I'm not sure about the latter, but this regulation only came into effect at the start of 2021 so I wouldn't be surprised if more don't yet exist.Don’t they have different levels ? Mercedes only applied for the level that allows hands free during traffic jams in a freeway - thus the low speed. I guess it won’t change the lane too.
If we think the bar is being set low, following is a link the standardI am not getting it. This is what Autopilot has done for years.
Mercedes Benz can't do a lane change? It can't take an off ramp?
Welcome to 2018.
Mercedes Benz is the self-proclaimed leader in ADAS and GM is the self-proclaimed leader in EV sales!
If it requires supervision then it's not Level 3. It's not the SAE's fault if people misuse the definitions.Truly, this “level 3” isn’t any better than AP1. Except AP1 supported higher speeds etc.
This is the reason these SAE levels are so misleading.
Truly, this “level 3” isn’t any better than AP1. Except AP1 supported higher speeds etc.
This is the reason these SAE levels are so misleading.
The entire idea of SAE L2/L3 is stupid - because ODD is left to the manufacturer to decide. Is a tiny ODD L3 better or worse than L2 with large ODD ? We can't obviously tell ...I'm not familiar with UN rules but the law for Japan and EU have been clear for L2 VS L3 and above.
It seems like you can tell. What’s your proposed solution? Regulatory body defined sets of roads? Weather conditions? Speeds? There are so many combinations. Or should there not be any consumer self-driving vehicles until safe L5 is possible?The entire idea of SAE L2/L3 is stupid - because ODD is left to the manufacturer to decide. Is a tiny ODD L3 better or worse than L2 with large ODD ? We can't obviously tell ...
The UN regulation UN-R157 has such a small ODD that it is just a marketing gimmick. May be there are other regulations by UN with larger ODD (for eg. all freeways upto the speed limit) ?