Watts_Up
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In this video the Ioniq 5 N makes the same noise as a Nascar racing car !!! LoL
This reminds me the TV 60 minutes video showing the first Tesla Model S with the sound track of an ICE vehicule.
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The Model 3 is a couple of centimeters wider and taller than the M3, so overall almost exactly the same size.
It’s also about 15 cm longer than the 2-series - “that’s quite a bit”.
That isn't really a criticism of the car. As far as I know you can turn it off. Some people will like it, especially if they come from ICE performance cars in the past... those who don't like it don't have to use it. Performance wise the car looks pretty solid. Suspension looks better than P3D and power looks higher as well though in a heavier package. I am saying that this is a legitimate competitor to the P3D and possibly better in some ways in terms of performance.In this video the Ioniq 5 N makes the same noise as a Nascar racing car !!! LoL
This reminds me the TV 60 minutes video showing the first Tesla Model S with the sound track of an ICE vehicule.
It will be about $70-80k too so not cheap. If its near $80k, I think i'd cough up a bit more and just get the Plaid.That isn't really a criticism of the car. As far as I know you can turn it off. Some people will like it, especially if they come from ICE performance cars in the past... those who don't like it don't have to use it. Performance wise the car looks pretty solid. Suspension looks better than P3D and power looks higher as well though in a heavier package. I am saying that this is a legitimate competitor to the P3D and possibly better in some ways in terms of performance.
Do you have a source for that. Car and driver says $63k.It will be about $70-80k too so not cheap. If its near $80k, I think i'd cough up a bit more and just get the Plaid.
Do you have a source for that. Car and driver says $63k.
2025 Hyundai Ioniq 5 N Review, Pricing, and Specs
The 2025 Hyundai Ioniq 5 N is the high-performance variant of electric Ioniq 5 SUV, and it's capable of pumping out a tire-straining 641 horsepower.www.caranddriver.com
It’s definitely more than the current P3D, especially with the tax credit available, but it does offer some bells and whistles that the P3D does not. I’m not particular for or against I am just pointing out that the new P3D needs to step it up a bit because there is real competition now.
Well, not everybody...What everybody is forgetting when they are comparing the 0-60 time of a Tesla vs a BMW M3 or Mercedes C63S is that for both these ICE cars to achieve their great figures - you need to use their launch control.
$85K-$130K for a M3 that requires you to use launch control to get to 2.8 seconds, vs a M3P that most buyers can get for about $47K. They are not "in the category."
$100K BMW M3 with an ICE engine? Competitor. $70K Ioniq 5 EV? Not a competitor because of the infotainment.its an suv so handles like garbage and its infotainment is unusable. its not a competitor.
It will be about $70-80k too so not cheap. If its near $80k, I think i'd cough up a bit more and just get the Plaid.
I just want a faster M3P is all. I think the Model S is just simply too big so want something smaller (and cheaper).
Pick a lane man! I thought the Model S didn't compete with the Model 3 because they're not in the same class, which is defined by size and weight, but a BMW M3 did despite the price difference...Last I checked, the Plaid is cheaper than a loaded M3 and would put a train length on it in a quarter.
Well, not everybody...
And now we're here:
$100K BMW M3 with an ICE engine? Competitor. $70K Ioniq 5 EV? Not a competitor because of the infotainment.
Pick a lane man! I thought the Model S didn't compete with the Model 3 because they're not in the same class, which is defined by size and weight, but a BMW M3 did despite the price difference...
Completely agree. They won't sell in their current form because they lag behind the competition in every category short of 0 to 60 - ICE or EV. Might as well not make it anymore if everything is going to stay the same. It's a dead zone for enthusiasts. Yeah it's cheap but that's about it.Whether all indications point this way or not, I think Tesla would be crazy to leave the Model 3’s performance numbers the same after such a major refresh. To allow this car to fall behind its obvious competitions in this way would be a crying shame.
Completely agree. They won't sell in their current form
Whether all indications point this way or not, I think Tesla would be crazy to leave the Model 3’s performance numbers the same after such a major refresh. To allow this car to fall behind its obvious competitions in this way would be a crying shame.
Yes, but being the 2nd best (or even the #1) selling car in the country (or world for that matter), is no reason to keep everything the same. If it was, then Tesla would not have even bothered to come out with the refreshed (Highland) Model 3. Tesla realizes that staying still (with the exact same vehicle) is not a formula for continued success. So, naturally, they have made significant changes/improvements to the Model 3 Highland (standard & long range trim).The Model 3 is the 2nd best selling sedan in the country behind the Toyota Camry- they sell way better than anything made by the germans.
And lest you say that's just a US thing it also outsells any german model worldwide as well by a huge margin- coming in #3 among all sedans behind corolla and camry.
Yes, but being the 2nd best (or even the #1) selling car in the country (or world for that matter), is no reason to keep everything the same. If it was, then Tesla would not have even bothered to come out with the refreshed (Highland) Model 3.
Yeah, and let's look at those significant changes in the drivetrain:Tesla realizes that staying still (with the exact same vehicle) is not a formula for continued success. So, naturally, they have made significant changes/improvements to the Model 3 Highland (standard & long range trim).
Yep, it's an empty list because the battery and motors are identical. Doesn't seem like they think drivetrain is where the cars needed an update.
Yeah, welcome changes, but not going to make a 2.6 second 0-60 car or a track monster.
- 8% more range via aerodynamic drag reduction
- Possibly sub-100 lb weight reduction
There's a group of us here that actually race our M3P's around corners in Autocross. There are two ironies to your statement:They won't sell in their current form because they lag behind the competition in every category short of 0 to 60 - ICE or EV. Might as well not make it anymore if everything is going to stay the same. It's a dead zone for enthusiasts.
Yes, but being the 2nd best (or even the #1) selling car in the country (or world for that matter), is no reason to keep everything the same.
I was talking specifically about the model 3 performance in its current form.The Model 3 is the 2nd best selling sedan in the country behind the Toyota Camry- they sell way better than anything made by the germans.
And lest you say that's just a US thing it also outsells any german model worldwide as well by a huge margin- coming in #3 among all sedans behind corolla and camry.