Model 3 Highland Performance/Plaid Speculation [Car announced 04.23.2024]

[Jeremy3292]

From all that I've gathered so far, the brakes, hubs, and suspension components are carried over, so I'd say yes.
Of course, we will verify once we have the actual car. 19" square setups will be popular for this car now that it comes with staggered 20" wheels & tires from factory.


-Danny

What is the benefit of the staggered setup anyways? Just for those super enthusiasts who are on “road courses” or for cornering?

 

[Sellout]

What is the benefit of the staggered setup anyways? Just for those super enthusiasts who are on “road courses” or for cornering?

0-60 launch and looks. It’s not necessarily beneficial for cornering.

 

[Sweed269]

It's worse on a road course. Staggered is for range. The smaller front helps lower the frontal area. On a 50/50 AWD car the tires should all be the same size

 

[P-Lo801]

It's worse on a road course. Staggered is for range. The smaller front helps lower the frontal area. On a 50/50 AWD car the tires should all be the same size

Staggered can actually be detrimental to range too. Square setup is better for range, provided it's on the OEM 235 width tires. In the case of this new M3P, it'd gain range with square 18" on 235/45 tires.

 

[Zcd1]

It wasn’t above freezing and frequently isn’t in the northeast. And those summer rated tires have very clear warnings about low temps. The point isn’t really about the drive home; it’s about selling the car in mid winter with no tire alternative. I’ll be if offered an AST, 75 percent or more would prefer them to summer rubber. I’d take the AST.

"All-Season Tires" are "No-Season Tires" the way I look at it. Compromised regardless of temperatures/conditions.

I've runner/summer/winter setups on my AWD cars for more than 20 years, and the performance and peace of mind is well worth the minor inconvenience, IMHO.

YMMV.

 

[Sweed269]

Staggered can actually be detrimental to range too. Square setup is better for range, provided it's on the OEM 235 width tires. In the case of this new M3P, it'd gain range with square 18" on 235/45 tire.

Improves efficiency vs larger tires all around for a performance car.

 

[cptnslo]

For those of you who wanna translate or speak German. This guy did a review of my mkv Supra when I was designing for DINAN and he’s normally good about his reviews. Seems to be talking about the cornering and on road driving characteristics

 

[Knightshade]

"All-Season Tires" are "No-Season Tires" the way I look at it. Compromised regardless of temperatures/conditions.

I've runner/summer/winter setups on my AWD cars for more than 20 years, and the performance and peace of mind is well worth the minor inconvenience, IMHO.

YMMV.

FWIW all seasons have gotten tremendously better in recent years... things like the Pilot Sport A/S4s are, while not QUITE as good as the summer-only PS4s in summer, surprisingly close.... AND also won't kill you if it's 20 degrees out and wet like the summer ones will.

If you live someplace that routinely gets real snow, but all means keep doing summer/winter swaps- because legit winters are still quite a bit better in serious winter weather... but if you're in the part of the country where winter is mild (but still exists) modern all seasons are much much better than they used to be.

 

[tivoboy]

0-60 launch and looks. It’s not necessarily beneficial for cornering.

Technically, one should be able to benefit with a staggered setup for cornering.. the understeer produced should allow a bit more power down - assuming the power is available.

 

[MODEL+]

I currently have the 245/40/19s forgestars from your site. I wonder if those will swap over.

It should.

Upon further review, I may just get some 18” T Sportline or Model+ wheels. They say they fit all Model 3 variants including performance trims. I didn’t think aftermarket 18” rims (w/o spacers) were possible with such big brake calipers on the performance?

@MODEL+

I have options for you. When the time comes feel free to message or email me. This is mostly what I do and enjoy doing.


Danny - [email protected]

 

[Jeremy3292]

but if you're in the part of the country where winter is mild (but still exists) modern all seasons are much much better than they used to be.

Exactly. This is me. Rarely ever get snow but waking up to go to work in the morning and it’s 20s F out is very normal in the winter.

 

[MODEL+]

What is the benefit of the staggered setup anyways? Just for those super enthusiasts who are on “road courses” or for cornering?

In Tesla's case, I think range. Now that there's a more powerful motor in the rear, I can see the case to upsize the rear tires.
235's all-around is far too under-tire for such a heavy car IMO.

Many high end sports cars run staggered setups with modern AWD drivetrains from factory. I think if the engineers designed with this in mind, there are actual handling and balance benefits.


-Danny

 

[KlausR]

I'll pull off the stock rims and tires and replace them with what's on my 2022, MP3

8.5x20 and 10x20 forged

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Looks awesome!
Do you have more pics?

 

[brianman]

Upon further review, I may just get some 18” T Sportline or Model+ wheels. They say they fit all Model 3 variants including performance trims. I didn’t think aftermarket 18” rims (w/o spacers) were possible with such big brake calipers on the performance?

@MODEL+

I have TSportline 18s on my 2018 M3P. Definitely make sure you select Performance when/if you order.

I have no idea if they'll fit properly on the 2024 or not (yet).

 

[Zcd1]

FWIW all seasons have gotten tremendously better in recent years... things like the Pilot Sport A/S4s are, while not QUITE as good as the summer-only PS4s in summer, surprisingly close.... AND also won't kill you if it's 20 degrees out and wet like the summer ones will.

If you live someplace that routinely gets real snow, but all means keep doing summer/winter swaps- because legit winters are still quite a bit better in serious winter weather... but if you're in the part of the country where winter is mild (but still exists) modern all seasons are much much better than they used to be.

The PS4 A/S is so loud that whatever other benefits it offers are irrelevant to me.

Better all-seasons are still "no-seasons" compared to a winter/summer setup, and I do sometimes track my car... in summer. ;-)

 

[terranx]

"All-Season Tires" are "No-Season Tires" the way I look at it. Compromised regardless of temperatures/conditions.

I've runner/summer/winter setups on my AWD cars for more than 20 years, and the performance and peace of mind is well worth the minor inconvenience, IMHO.

YMMV.

Modern all seasons are pretty good. More than enough grip in the dry/wet for street driving. And don’t turn to rocks in the cold.

I do prefer driving with winter tires in actual snow. But at least with all seasons you’re not ****ed if you get an unexpected snowfall before you switch your tires over.

 

[Apprunner]

The PS4 A/S is so loud that whatever other benefits it offers are irrelevant to me.

Better all-seasons are still "no-seasons" compared to a winter/summer setup, and I do sometimes track my car... in summer. ;-)

I went through my summers in about 12k miles so i switched to A/S. I'm getting about 20k miles from these so thats a benefit. Noise? Incrementally more noise in my super noisy 2019 model 3 doesn't make a difference. Its all deafening to me anyway

 

[reef12344]

red with the white looks great ... damn tax credit

 

[makeyourself]

red with the white looks great ... damn tax credit

At least you qualify for the tax credit! But yea red ext + white int looks damn good. I figure we will be seeing a lot of red + black or grey + white performances this summer

 

[brianman]

At least you qualify for the tax credit! But yea red ext + white int looks damn good. I figure we will be seeing a lot of red + black or grey + white performances this summer

Maybe I can convince them to waive the price for the white seats and charge me more for the software.