It'll still be drivable. Plaid has chill, sport, and plaid, and I daily drive in plaid mode.
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Model 3 Highland Performance/Plaid Speculation [Car announced 04.23.2024]
- Thread starter Daniel L
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Not only the same nominal voltage, but also the same nominal capacity. What are the odds? When it now turns out that:
- The US battery pack will remain the same.
- The front motor will remain the same.
- Highland LR and RWD had no changes in battery pack and motors.
For about a week in early January, you could still order a 2023 M3P and get the full tax credit while the RWD&LR did not get the tax credit. Would the % domestic content of the Panasonic meet the requirement needed for the credit (assuming $54,990 MSRP)? I can't find it now, but I remember reading that the batteries are still assembled in Nevada but the minerals are now over the limit for non-free trade partner countries of origin.
I dont see anything wrong with having the same weight, battery count and nominal capacity with different chemistry or improved cooling.
I'm just reminding that you're technically still can be wrong with your predictions. And we both hope that thats the case since we both would be looking at subpar CN/EU pack if you're right.
Also, I think that if you right there will be too big difference of EU/US versions with new motors of M3PH.
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Take this with a grain of salt but someone on Reddit is stating the production wheels DO NOT have the holes to hold the aero bits on the wheels.
Me neither, but I don't believe in it.
Yes, I can absolutely be wrong, but some more points:
- Whenever Tesla changed a battery pack in the past, the Nominal Capacity always changed. The Nominal Voltage often stayed the same, if the supplier/chemistry stayed the same.
- To me knowledge there was never a performance battery pack. Any performance Tesla used the same Long Range battery pack as any other Long Range. There were times when the Performance would stick to a pack longer, because of range certification, like M3P 2021 never being certified for the LG packs or not getting the SW lock like the 3C.
- My track record of identifying Tesla parts (motors/batteries) according to certified power, torque, rpm, voltages....has been spot on so far, which of course doesn't proof anything, but it's part of the reason, why I am confident about it now too.
This isn't new though. Since the M3P got the LG pack, there has been a power difference between the US and MIC/EU cars. This gap will just grow a little more with the new car by the looks of it now.
In the end, yes, this time I really want to be wrong, because the Plaid power is absolutely overwhelming, while the M3P/MYP is a bit underwhelming after a while. There is a very solid sweet spot between these to power levels, which is "Sport Mode" in the Plaid. That is were I would want to see a Model 3 Performance in 2024!
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Zoltrix77
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Looks like some of the leaks confirm:
- Slippy leather/leatherette seats, no Alcantara.
- No black headliner ... still.
- Slippy leather/leatherette seats, no Alcantara.
- No black headliner ... still.
I don't think that's necessarily impossible in the model 3. Sport Mode in the Plaid is basically what the long range feels like in insane. Based on my data logs, those cars see ~350v / 1400A at full load (at a little under 80% SOC). That's not terribly far from what the Panasonic battery can do. What made the model 3 performance feel a bit lack luster was the power drop off at higher speeds. I think the hope with the new motor is that they can shift power to the rear as the front motor loses steam.
Sport Mode is variable current to level the power around 525kW. This is were the power of the Plaid feels just right, not to mention it remains usable on cold roads/winter tires/moisture. The lighter Model 3 would fly in those conditions, but at 60% with a 13°C pack I logged almost 1700A from the Plaid pack. That is 400A above the current limit of the Panasonic Model 3 and voltage wise you'd be looking at maybe below 300V under load. Higher base voltage from a 460V pack plus more current...this is currently unimaginable in the Model 3.
I mean I'll believe you since I don't have that exact data log, but realistically even 450kW is plenty for a model 3 performance and likely achievable. Especially if it can sustain to top speed.
This is true in Plaid mode too. I can put down 950 HP in below freezing temperatures without losing traction.
Absolutely. For that it would need a different front motor and higher battery limits though.
Yeah, probably, but here in Germany on Winter tires and moist roads I am getting wheel spin at 100mph on the Autobahn :-(
630A is the limit, but you won't be able to read that value from CAN. You can only see F Power approaching 211kW while knowing the motor operates at 335V.
If you are going to go there's only two ways. Death by snoo snoo or smoking all the tyres of a 4 wheel drive car at over 100mph
I have never come close to 630A at any speed for the front motor in my data. In fact I have never seen above ~600A and I am typically closer to 573A at max current. My rear motor current typically is about 774A at max current. However, I saw 792A when my car was closer to new.
Do the European Model 3 Performance cars hit close to 630A/211KW for the front motors?
There appears to be a lot of headroom for the front motor with the Panasonic battery. I wonder if the new rear motor will allow greater current for the front motor especially if current for the rear motor hits peak current at a higher speed?
What a lot of people are missing is that just because they only changed to a new motor in the rear doesn't mean that they haven't changed how the front motor operates.
The Ludicrous Model 3 could get EXTREMELY quick if they can put another ~50 amps in the front motor and perhaps another 100-150 amps in the rear motor but not at the same time. I assume the total battery current limit will stay the same?
That isn't even taking into account that the new rear motor might be able to hold 700+ amps for higher speeds. Currently my car dips below 700 amps for the rear motor by 60 mph and it is down to 580 amps by 115 mph where it holds pretty consistent after that.
More likely just active hydraulic dampers like you find in other modern cars.
Adaptive, not active. The new M3P won't have active or air suspension.
Looks like there will be a switchable 'sport' mode which will probably change the valves in the dampers somehow.
Looks like there will be a switchable 'sport' mode which will probably change the valves in the dampers somehow.
