All this 0-60 and quarter mile talk. Frankly I don’t care about any of that as the current car is fast enough for road driving and I’m not going planning to track it. It’s not going to be much fast in Europe on the LG battery anyway based on the power limits.
I care about the comfort, in comfort mode, is it more or less comfortable than a Long Range. Very interested in what the new suspension does for the day to day ride. Less about what it does in Sport which I’ll use but be 1-2% of the time I use the car probably.
I care about the efficiency, we know it won’t be as good as a Long Range but what’s is the real drop when it’s on 19’s. Having ruined two sets of tyres and rims on the wife’s car in a year of ownership on 20’s. No way I’ll take 20’s when 19’s are likely the default option for UK roads. Even then I’d prefer 18’s to better still survive our bad roads.
Ionic 5 N is a great car, it also has a pretty tiny range so for a day to day car, not so great. I would be a pain on a road trip even more so that it doesn’t get Tesla’s superchargers.
Then finally I guess is price, not so much if I can afford it or not but just is it worth the difference over the Long Range or is Tesla taking the piss.
Why’s that? They reduced the price of the Model 3 when the Highland came out in the UK, nothing they did really makes it more expensive. Yes they added things like ambient lighting and a rear screen but they also removed and optimised in other places to bring the cost down. I expect it’s the same or less to make than the model that came before it.
Nothing much on the Ludicrous means the price needs to be more than the last Model 3 Performance. Sports seats but it’s just the price difference between them and the standard seats. Same with the new suspension and a bit more cost on the wheels, splitter and so on. I don’t think it’ll cost much more to make but doesn’t mean it won’t cost a good chunk more when Tesla try to add a nice margin to it. Performance cars always have higher margins.
There's a lot to care about when it comes to the performance of the new M3L since it's the top performance model within the model 3 line up. Like what the other member mentioned, it looks like a Model S LR is a good fit for what you're looking for. Perhaps even better the Mercedes EQS if you want actual luxury, because you 'ain't gonna' find that in any of the Tesla models. (Fun fact, you'd be surprised how cheap a used EQS is going for in the used market.)
M3L: The battery isn't a limiting factor. If that was the case Tesla wouldn't be using it. If I remember correctly, the IONIQ 5 N also uses the LG cells and it does extremely well in track conditions.
As for the range, let's not forget the reality with how Tesla is the master of inflating their range figures vs real world range. This is the same reason why they've recently tamed their numbers on the order page due to all the flack and lawsuits surrounding the lies around the phony range figures. - Between different driving habits and ones ability to hyper-mile, you can exceed any EVs range figures to some degree if you drove in an unrealistically slow fashion. That's not the reality though.
The I5N is a car for the track with faster charging and not one designed to be a road tripper. It's designed for the purpose of being a proper EV track car to go buzz around the track without having to worry about thermal management etc... it's a brilliant piece of machinery that we have yet to see from Tesla from a production ready standpoint (a true track car). - Therefore, it doesn't make sense to used the words "road trip" when talking about the I5N, although it could, but that's not the point of this car.
Regarding HMG and Tesla Super Chargers, HMG (Hyundai Motor Group = Hyundai (IONIQ Line), KIA and Genesis) will be the first to natively get the NACS on their EVs come just Q4 of this year in N.A. - As for Europe didn't Bjorn show an IONIQ 5 charging at one of the CCS2 chargers? I'll have to dig up that video.
And I still believe that it will be like 2.8 Insane mode, 2.5 Ludicrous for additional price.
And later they will do a track pack with different brakes and wheels which they won't ever going to bother to certify in EU.
Or 19 wheels is a track pack and comes with better brakes and already certified. But I doubt, because mainstream believes that larger wheels are better. Might be a stupid thing like 20 inch is track pack...
2.5 sec would be shocking as it would put it into the territory of the Model X Plaid. Two different class of cars yes, but in my opinion I don't think Tesla would make a $50K volume seller to match the straight line performance of their $95K X Plaid. Who knows...
If Tesla were to offer this software upgrade, from a pure performance standpoint (for most Tesla owners being straight line performance) it could add onto the fall of the S and X line for Tesla. - Keeping in mind that there are a lot of X and S owners who have stepped down to a Y and 3. It's very common.
Elon already said himself that the model S for example mainly exists for sentimental reasons. I think the S and X will barely get a refresh with maybe adding in the interior LED and front bumper camera at most? We'll know soon enough.
In my opinion, I think the M3L will be advertised as 2.9 seconds with a 1 foot roll out. This on paper is barely faster than the current M3P.
In the real world, it could easily boil down to reaction time between the M3L and M3P to 60. As I've mentioned, there are plenty of M3Ps in the low 3s already with some at 3.0 and 2.99 for the sake of numbers.
However, the M3L with it having better top end is where it'll shine and that's what I'm most excited about.
Where are they going to get this magic Ludicrous package from when the battery is the limit?
What limit may that be?
Right but 0.2 seconds faster then you are down in the 3 second mark is quite a bit quicker. We aren't taking 0.2 seconds of a 6 second time which would be less impressive.
They've already said its not a Plaid, I take that to include the Model X Plaid which is 2.5 seconds. It won't be close to that.
You are all free to believe what you like, I think you just have unrealistic expectations especially when lots of information about battery and motor power is already out there. Add in that also if to be believed we have people saying Lars said its not a Plaid and 2.9 has been mentioned multiple times.
I agree with you 100%. - I too have seen a lot of numbers being thrown around like it's nothing, when in reality shaving a half a second is a big deal when talking car times. I honestly don't think the M3L will be anywhere near 2.5 sec. That's just fantasy and hey if for some crazy reason we're wrong about that, then that would be a great problem - to have been wrong.
Tesla, please get rid of the 1-foot roll out nonsense. Just give it to us straight.
(I get it though..marketing mumbo jumbo.)
Any day now... we'll know soon enough. Exciting...